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    Simon Black discusses the dwindling freedoms of US citizens with evidence of the US government unlawfully seizing personal assets.



    08/26/11 The Wall Street Journal published a disturbing article earlier this week entitled “Federal Asset Seizures Rise, Netting Innocent With Guilty.”

    You can already imagine the crux of the article.

    In the United States, there are hundreds of regulations which authorize dozens federal agencies to confiscate private property — homes, cars, bank accounts, gold, company shares, and even personal effects.

    Ironically, most Americans still think that they live in a country where you’re innocent until proven guilty. Nothing could be further from the truth, and it’s just another clear example of how the US Constitution has become a worthless piece of toilet paper for the federal government.

    The Fifth Amendment states that “No person shall be…deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Tell that James Lieto, a New York businessman who was relieved of $392,000 when the armored car company used by his check-cashing firm was taken down by the FBI.

    Lieto was innocent and not implicated in any wrongdoing, but the FBI took his money regardless as it just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Last October, another businessman named Raul Stio was suspected of wrongdoing by the Treasury Department. The government seized over $150,000 from his account, yet in the 10-months that followed, Stio has still not been charged with a crime.

    According to Justice Department statistics, the total value of confiscated property exceeded $2.5 billion in 2010, more than double from five years ago. The average take per case? $166,000…and the vast majority of cases were non-criminal.

  • #2
    WOW, crazy

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    • #3
      Modern day Oklahoma land grab!

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      • #4
        Oh look, 1995 is back. Who would have guessed?
        Originally posted by racrguy
        What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
        Originally posted by racrguy
        Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
          Oh look, 1995 is back. Who would have guessed?
          Care to enlighten someone who was a freshman an high school and too concerned about marijuana than current events at the time?
          How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
            Care to enlighten someone who was a freshman an high school and too concerned about marijuana than current events at the time?
            Law Enforcement went around stealing everything that wasn't nailed down in the name of drug enforcement when property seizure was the hot thing. Clinton had to sign an executive order to get them to stop.

            Even then the amount of property seized by the federal government using forfeiture has increased 50 times since 1985. It has been over a billion a year for the past three years.

            But hey, we all have nothing to worry about, no one ever tries to lie, cheat or steal for money.
            Originally posted by racrguy
            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
            Originally posted by racrguy
            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
              Law Enforcement went around stealing everything that wasn't nailed down in the name of drug enforcement when property seizure was the hot thing. Clinton had to sign an executive order to get them to stop.

              Even then the amount of property seized by the federal government using forfeiture has increased 50 times since 1985. It has been over a billion a year for the past three years.

              But hey, we all have nothing to worry about, no one ever tries to lie, cheat or steal for money.
              It is pretty bad. If a person is pulled over or known for excessive amounts of cash they must be a drug dealer or doing something illegally in the eye of the law.

              I'm surprised more don't go down in a blaze of glory due to losing their money.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dblack1 View Post
                It is pretty bad. If a person is pulled over or known for excessive amounts of cash they must be a drug dealer or doing something illegally in the eye of the law.

                I'm surprised more don't go down in a blaze of glory due to losing their money.
                My favorite is the "waiver" shit. That is where they pull someone over and steal their car then threaten them with a phony baloney charge unless they sign a waiver to forfeit their already stolen property to the agency.
                Originally posted by racrguy
                What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                Originally posted by racrguy
                Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                • #9
                  So what if I paid cash money for a house and some land?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Denny View Post
                    So what if I paid cash money for a house and some land?
                    You are actually better off with debt. That way they are going to have to fight the bank to take your shit. It is the small crooked ass towns who try this stuff and they can't fund a legal battle with a bank and come out with a profit, which is their real motive.
                    Originally posted by racrguy
                    What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                    Originally posted by racrguy
                    Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                    • #11
                      Why can't you ever just tell me what the fuck I want to hear?!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dblack1 View Post
                        It is pretty bad. If a person is pulled over or known for excessive amounts of cash they must be a drug dealer or doing something illegally in the eye of the law.

                        I'm surprised more don't go down in a blaze of glory due to losing their money.
                        This happened around here not long ago, a pair of guys were pulled over, and $40k-ish was seized, the guys had no warrants, nothing illegal on them etc. The cops kept it, and planned on keeping it until they lawyered up and took them to court, it took like 18 months to get it back, which they probably spent $40k-ish in legal fees. Fucking crooks.

                        Stevo
                        Originally posted by SSMAN
                        ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                        • #13
                          I might use a texas law to justify some of those guys having an "accident" if that happened to me. After all, here in texas, you can legally shoot someone to death over theft of tangible property. So there would at least be a sort of precedent.

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                          • #14
                            ....

                            Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                            Law Enforcement went around stealing everything that wasn't nailed down in the name of drug enforcement when property seizure was the hot thing. Clinton had to sign an executive order to get them to stop.

                            Even then the amount of property seized by the federal government using forfeiture has increased 50 times since 1985. It has been over a billion a year for the past three years.

                            But hey, we all have nothing to worry about, no one ever tries to lie, cheat or steal for money.

                            Another event from 1995 came to my mind. That is when Timothy McVeigh blew the hell out of the govt goons working in the Fed court house. It might take something like that to get their attention.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Denny View Post
                              So what if I paid cash money for a house and some land?
                              Retarded to own something outright.

                              You need leverage for the event you child wrecks into a school bus and the bus catches fire.

                              Owning something free and clear makes it really easy to take. Paying cash for a house is cool only until you are sued and it is easily taken from you. Otherwise they must take it from the lender, which is usually difficult.

                              To be a paranoid dude you aren't very paranoid. I'd advise to just get over the interest, write off what you can, and when you feel more comfortable in life pay it off and relax. You still gotta pay the tax man though.

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