UAW to try to unionize Hundai

[GhostTX]

IF somehow a Union gets started in Hyundai, all those workers can kiss their jobs good bye..

Fuck unions, the workers of Hyundai should file a law suit for the UAW harassing them into a Union..

Can't...Obama signed a piece of legislation that requires companies to post a sign that says "you have the right to unionize and we can't stand in your way."

http://biggovernment.com/laborunionreport/2011/08/26/obamas-job-killing-nlrb-strikes-again-all-employers-must-post-union-notices/

http://nlrb.gov/news/board-issues-final-rule-require-posting-nlra-rights

[BP]

Curious what someone like Freightrain thinks about this? What is the point of a union when a company treats their employees well?

You can't really compare the UAW to railroad unions. They are both organized labor but the UAW guys want to bleed automakers dry and could care less if they fail. The rail workers I know usually think their union is useless since they end up doing what the company wants. That and if tue UAW strikes big deal, all they are doing is screwing their customers. If railroads strike they'll either be forced back to work or the national guard will start operating the trains.

[FreightTrain]

LOL at everyone that's scared of the boogey man.


It's hard to have an intelligent argument on unions when 95% of people claim unions are bad, but have never experienced one first hand. Then you get the people that claim they worked next to a union worker one time and they are lazy and always on break. Of course these same people weren't jealous one bit of the union workers pay or working rules. No they just want to talk shit to make themselves feel better about their own crappy job.


As far as the UAW going after Hyundai that's there business. After all we do live in a free country and unions aren't illegal. I will say this though. Hyundai and Toyota employees do have something to gain if they were to unionize. It's been Hyundai and Toyota's business plan for many years to pay $2 to $3 an hour less than union workers pay and to give benefits that are almost as good. So if they were to unionize they would get a raise along with better benefits. The workers would be making an extra $300 a month at the very least along with better benefits. This would only cost them about $70 a month in union dues.

[mikeb]

It's hard to have an intelligent argument on unions when 95% of people claim unions are bad

The unions are doing a perfectly adequate job of proving themselves bad. Look at the boeing issue with their new non-union plant plant in SC that the union is jumping thru it's ass to try to prevent happening.

[FreightTrain]

The unions are doing a perfectly adequate job of proving themselves bad. Look at the boeing issue with their new non-union plant plant in SC that the union is jumping thru it's ass to try to prevent happening.

Boeing broke the law plan and simple and I'm pretty suprised they were either dumb enough to do it or they thought they had bought off enough politicans to get away with it. All the union did was point out that Boeing broke the law and somehow it gets turned into how the union is the one to blame. Of course that's what happens when you only read the headlines and not the whole story.

[red95gts]

Then you get the people that claim they worked next to a union worker one time and they are lazy and always on break. Of course these same people weren't jealous one bit of the union workers pay or working rules. No they just want to talk shit to make themselves feel better about their own crappy job.

I work next to union electricians and other construction trades all the time, in various areas in the US. Some are better than others, but almost without exception they are days or weeks behind schedule, which in turn impacts my schedule. But, do they fucking step it up and get shit done? Usually, NO. Ask these guys to stay past 3:30pm to finish something that was due a week ago and you get all sorts of whining and complaining. They are without a doubt some of the laziest (yet employed) people I've ever dealt with.

In comparison, in areas where Unions aren't real strong, we often deal with independent contractors. These guys understand that they better stick to the schedule and do quality work, or they won't get the offer next time. More times than not, they are on schedule and more than willing to help when needed.

And jealous? Seriously? I make more money and work waaay less than they do, so what exactly am I jealous about?

[Broncojohnny]

Boeing broke the law plan and simple and I'm pretty suprised they were either dumb enough to do it or they thought they had bought off enough politicans to get away with it. All the union did was point out that Boeing broke the law and somehow it gets turned into how the union is the one to blame. Of course that's what happens when you only read the headlines and not the whole story.

No, it wasn't plain and simple, in fact it requires some stretching of the definition of the law.

As for the workers at Hyundai and Toyota, maybe they don't like the idea of being associated with Marxist idiots. They may also not like the idea of lazy fucks standing around or getting the best jobs on the assembly line because they are incompetent and can't be fired. Or the potential train wreck that contract "negotiations" bring every few years.

[red95gts]

If I remember right, I read something shortly after the Hyundai plant opened and one of the unexpected hurdles was the staggering illiteracy rate of the labor pool in that area of the country. So, we have illiterates making that much money and the UAW has decided that's not "fair"?

[FreightTrain]

No, it wasn't plain and simple, in fact it requires some stretching of the definition of the law.

By stretching if you mean only reading the part of the law that you want to apply to you. Ok we can call it that.

[Broncojohnny]

By stretching if you mean only reading the part of the law that you want to apply to you. Ok we can call it that.

Well you go ahead and post the law up and I'll make you look foolish if you want. You've done it before and your logic on this issue is very poor at best. I can see it making sense to the mouth breathers down at the union hall though.

[FreightTrain]

Well you go ahead and post the law up and I'll make you look foolish if you want. You've done it before and your logic on this issue is very poor at best. I can see it making sense to the mouth breathers down at the union hall though.

At the end of the day I could give two shits which way it goes, because I don't have a dog in the fight.


But for the sake of argument.

The law is cut and dry. A company can not retaliate against the union for a strike. Boeing claims that South Carolina offered more incentives than Washington State did so thats why they opened the plant there. The problem comes up when Boeing refuses to release exactly how much money South Carolina gave them. If it turns out they lied and Washington was offering more money....Houston we have a problem. If not and everything is on the up and up who cares move on.

[Broncojohnny]

At the end of the day I could give two shits which way it goes, because I don't have a dog in the fight.


But for the sake of argument.

The law is cut and dry. A company can not retaliate against the union for a strike. Boeing claims that South Carolina offered more incentives than Washington State did so thats why they opened the plant there. The problem comes up when Boeing refuses to release exactly how much money South Carolina gave them. If it turns out they lied and Washington was offering more money....Houston we have a problem. If not and everything is on the up and up who cares move on.

I'm confused, I thought it was plain and simple, now you don't know all the facts and the union brought a lawsuit without knowing them all as well. What is all this might and maybe shit? Sounds like typical crybaby union shit to me.

I don't have a dog in the fight either but I care about Marxist ideology influencing our government in the name of "fairness". Silly me.

[bcoop]

Well you go ahead and post the law up and I'll make you look foolish if you want. You've done it before and your logic on this issue is very poor at best. I can see it making sense to the mouth breathers down at the union hall though.

Check

I'm confused, I thought it was plain and simple, now you don't know all the facts and the union brought a lawsuit without knowing them all as well. What is all this might and maybe shit? Sounds like typical crybaby union shit to me.

Aaaand mate.

[GhostTX]

The law is cut and dry. A company can not retaliate against the union for a strike.

Not knowing the law, but why not? I get a bunch of people that suddenly say they're not going to work for me, I'm going to find a bunch of people that will.

Boeing claims that South Carolina offered more incentives than Washington State did so thats why they opened the plant there. The problem comes up when Boeing refuses to release exactly how much money South Carolina gave them. If it turns out they lied and Washington was offering more money....Houston we have a problem. If not and everything is on the up and up who cares move on.

Who cares which state offered more money? If strikes and per person costs are going to cost me more money, that sounds like long term loss to me. If one offered less, yet I don't have to deal with those issues, sounds like a win to me.

Gotta love Texas and it's "right to work" rules. Unions are nothing but bad business these days. They've become corrupt money making machines rather than the noble protection agencies before there were labor laws.

[Ratt]

I've worked in Chicago, for a union, and have done the same job here in Texas in a non-union setting, and I can say that without a doubt the unionized workers were far more lazy and less productive than the non-union workers. I vehemently despise unions and people who think that unionization will better the lives of the workers in this day and age.

To FreightTrain:

What I'm getting out of your arguments (which was difficult to extrapolate since your logic is extremely flawed) is that if the government made it legal to sue unions for strikes and so forth, that you'd be okay with that? Do you know how those laws came into existence in the first place? They were almost all started with good intentions, but then politicians started realizing with proper legislation that unions could be nixed while still keeping employee rights. Then all of a sudden crooked politicians started thinking, "Hey, wait a minute. If I just take some kickbacks from union leaders and mob bosses under the guise of campaign funding and special interest fund-raising, I can be rich and the union leaders and mob bosses will be rich, so they'll keep keeping me rich." It's all a farce that no longer has its place.

Unions are communist.