UAW to try to unionize Hundai

[Hell-Bent SS]

Actually, most of us know about unions and some of us have been in them. Unions are archaic institutions that have no current place. And you have yet to answer my questions.




Do you support making union membership voluntary in union held areas? Do you support making union dues billable instead of automatically deducted?


Those questions right there will answer a lot of questions about you

Sorry must have over looked you question..

I believe that if you are going into a job knowing that it is union, why would you contest it. If you don't like the way they work go do something else.In my situation I believe that union dues are billable because alot of guys travel all over the U.S. and we have to pay traveling dues at our hall and at the place we go to work, so in that case its hard to make it automatic.

[Forever_frost]

Yet you believe it's okay for a union to come into a workplace that isn't union and make it so. Talking about a double standard. If you work for a company you know isn't union, shouldn't it stay non union? If you don't like it, you can go somewhere else, right? And it's hard to make it billiable because then you give people an option and unions can't survive options

[Hell-Bent SS]

Yet you believe it's okay for a union to come into a workplace that isn't union and make it so. Talking about a double standard. If you work for a company you know isn't union, shouldn't it stay non union? If you don't like it, you can go somewhere else, right? And it's hard to make it billiable because then you give people an option and unions can't survive options

Well last time I checked you still have the right to vote NO. I understand that if you are out voted and more people choose the union then I guess you have to make a choice about it. Whats your big hang up on the union?? I have good insurance for my whole family,and lots of other great things.

[Forever_frost]

But you said if you know that a job is union and you still apply there you should be okay with being a union. How is that not a double standard? You're saying if there's a job and it's union, I want it, I should be okay with being union but if I join a job that isn't and a union moves in, I should be okay with being union?

My hangups on unions are this: They dump money into democrat coffers without consulting their membership. They are leeches that produce absolutely nothing while holding companies hostage, are unwilling to negotiate when times are bad, but when times are good, they want a bigger share.

You know what? I have great insurance for my family and was retired at 24. Want to talk about benefits?

[Hell-Bent SS]

Let me go ahead and quote where you just contradicted your own posts.



Implies that only union workers are trained and licensed, where as non-union workers are not or are trained to some lesser extent.



Implies that the work down by union workers is done by code, inspected and certified, where as the work done by non-union workers is somehow not certified to the same extent.

Stevo

Sure there work might be up to code as far as a weld or specs on a certain thing.. but at the same time if you came out and looked at the way they just throw crap up without it being plum,level,or square. You might have a different look at things. For example I just left a job where a non-union company came in and did all kinds of wrong things, we then had to fix everything. In doing so we had to cut out a bunch of pipe and welds and guess what we found all kinds of crap left in the system (levels,tape measure, and a 24" pipe wrench) is that ok for them to do that?? All I'm saying is you get what you pay for....

[Forever_frost]

Sure there work might be up to code as far as a weld or specs on a certain thing.. but at the same time if you came out and looked at the way they just throw crap up without it being plum,level,or square. You might have a different look at things. For example I just left a job where a non-union company came in and did all kinds of wrong things, we then had to fix everything. In doing so we had to cut out a bunch of pipe and welds and guess what we found all kinds of crap left in the system (levels,tape measure, and a 24" pipe wrench) is that ok for them to do that?? All I'm saying is you get what you pay for....

And you find ball bearings in the doors of GM cars, coke cans rolling around behind door panels and so forth. Union labor. I'm pretty sure I can find a LOT of instances of union labor not up to snuff. Would you like the video of UAW workers, AFTER the bailout, sitting in the parking lot getting drunk and smoking pot on their lunch breaks?

[Hell-Bent SS]

But you said if you know that a job is union and you still apply there you should be okay with being a union. How is that not a double standard? You're saying if there's a job and it's union, I want it, I should be okay with being union but if I join a job that isn't and a union moves in, I should be okay with being union?

My hangups on unions are this: They dump money into democrat coffers without consulting their membership. They are leeches that produce absolutely nothing while holding companies hostage, are unwilling to negotiate when times are bad, but when times are good, they want a bigger share.

You know what? I have great insurance for my family and was retired at 24. Want to talk about benefits?

I said if you apply for a job and its union then you know what you are getting into.. and If a union comes into a non-union job and tries to make it union then you and other workers can vote NO.

Have you ever been on the committee when they are voting in a new contract?? trust me the companies are trying there hardest to screw over the working hands also.

You retired at 24?? Dam must be nice, can you make a living and support your family for the rest of your life or did you have to get another job??

[Hell-Bent SS]

And you find ball bearings in the doors of GM cars, coke cans rolling around behind door panels and so forth. Union labor. I'm pretty sure I can find a LOT of instances of union labor not up to snuff. Would you like the video of UAW workers, AFTER the bailout, sitting in the parking lot getting drunk and smoking pot on their lunch breaks?

We can argue this all day. I guess some non-union members dont get drunk or smoke pot during work. Hell in every work place or trade there are people abusing the system,I bet there is alot of stuff behind closed doors in the military also.

[Forever_frost]

You're saying that if you don't like union jobs don't work there. I'm saying you don't like working without a union, don't work there. But you don't seem to like that equality and want force used to make companies pay more than the market can support and the labor is worth.

I retired at 24, make a decent living and support my family and can do so for the rest of my life. My dependents also get free college and my health insurance for my entire family is 24 dollars a quarter.

And of course non union members get toasted during work. They don't ask for a taxpayer bailout though now do they?

[CJ]

The cancer is spreading. Unions RUIN companies. My family knows more about unions than most anyone, with the shit we had to deal with. Fucking psychos. Hear about the HVAC small business owner up north? The union tried to MURDER him in his front yard.

[Forever_frost]

We can argue this all day. I guess some non-union members dont get drunk or smoke pot during work. Hell in every work place or trade there are people abusing the system,I bet there is alot of stuff behind closed doors in the military also.

Instead of saying it's wrong, you're trying to go with moral relativism. Unions protect the lazy and those who have been at the job the longest instead of those who work hardest. And you're still dancing around the issue. Why do I, as a business person, have to accept someone stepping between me and my employees and saying "You have to go through me instead?" Why can't I tell them to fuck themselves?

And why is it that you say that if I don't want to work at a union job, I don't have to take the job, but union members who want employment at non union shops aren't expected to be happy with a non union job

[Forever_frost]

The cancer is spreading. Unions RUIN companies. My family knows more about unions than most anyone, with the shit we had to deal with. Fucking psychos. Hear about the HVAC small business owner up north? The union tried to MURDER him in his front yard.

And the unions in WI filling school building doors with superglue and metal shavings to keep Governor Walker out, the unions used to bust kneecaps to get their way, they still slice tires, and there's a video of a Verizon union guy throwing his daughter in front of a Verizon truck and screaming "You see who you take money from SCAB?"

[tazz007]

The cancer is spreading. Unions RUIN companies. My family knows more about unions than most anyone, with the shit we had to deal with. Fucking psychos. Hear about the HVAC small business owner up north? The union tried to MURDER him in his front yard.

LOL they tried that shit here in the 70's on the construction sites in Dallas. They found out real quick, we where faster on the draw. Yes I was there working for my uncle (welder)

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Yea because history never repeats itself.

Not in this case. If all unions died, you wouldn't go into a factory and see 10 year olds chained to machines and being forced to work. The people would burn that mutha down and lynch the guy responsible. I would, at least. Nor will you see people working for nearly free. Not when you can walk across the street and get a higher paying job. Barring the complete collapse of the US government, that shit ain't going back to the way it was. Ever.

[CJ]

Unions had a time and place FreightTrain. Just as employers grew to exploit their employees do you not see the arrogance in thinking employees are immune to the same exploitation against their employers?

The injustice of unions is the greed of the individual. Much like the slippery slope of socialism, what one reveres and envies - once received - is now expected. The individual no longer sees the benefits of hard work to further his responsibility and career - it is easier achieved by exploiting ones company, and demanding even more outrageous pay and benefits. It is a vehicle for failure of the capitalist system, which is built on survival of the fittest, not protection for the incompetent.