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    FORTUNE -- Taxpayers may not realize it, but they just bailed out Bank of America again, this time to the tune of more than a half billion dollars.

    The Charlotte, NC-based bank was one of the biggest recipients of bailout funds during the financial crisis. But Bank of America (BAC) continues to face deep problems related to its troubled mortgage portfolio and investors have battered the stock, which has plunged over 40% so far this year. That's escalated concerns that the bank may need to raise more capital. Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism has even started a BofA death watch.

    But apparently the federal government is determined to resurrect BofA: the Wall Street Journal reports the feds have just used Fannie Mae, which is controlled by the U.S. government, to infuse BofA with $500 million and ease one of the bank's biggest headaches.

    Yesterday afternoon on CNBC, Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan mentioned that five of BofA's six businesses were making money. The one black spot was its massive portfolio of problematic mortgages and the liabilities flowing from it. Moynihan also mentioned that BofA had just sold some "mortgage servicing rights" as part of its balance sheet strengthening efforts, but he didn't elaborate.

    According to the WSJ, Fannie Mae spent $500 million to buy the servicing rights to a big chunk of the "seven million loans still causing the most problems." Although the $500 million is a paper loss to BofA, in that the rights were "originally worth more," it looks like BofA is still getting a good deal because the portfolio's "value is expected to deteriorate further."

    In fact, the deal is worth much more than $500 million to BofA, because getting rid of those servicing rights lifts a huge cost burden off BofA's shoulders. And if securitized loans are involved, which they most likely are, the sale also limits the BofA's potential liability to investors for its current servicing violations. Finally, the $500 million is surely more than the servicing rights are worth in an arms-length transaction. How do we know? Beyond the comment that the loans are expected to "deteriorate further," the goal of the intervention can only be to fix Bank of America's capital structure, which is easier for the government to do if it overpays for the rights.

    In short, purchasing these servicing rights was another Troubled Asset Relief Program.

    Servicing defaulted loans can be good business if cheaply produced foreclosure paperwork isn't questioned, and if the foreclosures have equity and can be resold easily with lots of junk fees. But the mortgage servicing rights Fannie Mae bought are stinkers: they have a 13% delinquency rate, which means lots of foreclosures and loan modifications.

    Both foreclosures and mods have been big headaches for BofA, which faces potential liability for document fraud in its foreclosures on multiple fronts. Beyond that, foreclosures are simply expensive to do well. BofA was recently punished by Treasury for failing to do modifications well, and it's also been sued for how it does them.

    But the loans Fannie Mae now has to deal with are even worse than 13% delinquency rate suggests. According to the WSJ, "more than half of the loans are in troubled U.S. real-estate markets." This likely means markets where a high percentage of the houses are underwater and there's a huge oversupply, driving prices down further and making defaults more likely.

    Fannie Mae is purchasing "the servicing rights in order to transfer the day-to-day management of those loans to a different company." That's another huge sign that Fannie Mae is overpaying. If the rights were really worth $500 million, wouldn't a private company pay that for them? Instead, it sounds like Fannie Mae is doing a bailout two-step, one to BofA and one to whomever takes these rights off Fannie Mae's hands.

    Another thing needs to become clear: where did Fannie Mae get the money to do BofA the favor of buying these rights? Fannie Mae just asked for another bailout of its own, seeking a new $5.1 billion infusion last week.

    Think about how good this deal is for BofA: it gets to stop the bleeding, or at least cauterize much of the wound in its balance sheet that lousy mortgage servicing rights and mortgage securities liabilities are creating. And it gets half a billion dollars to boot.

    And taxpayers? Well, we get to own yet another good chunk of BofA's mess.
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    Where's mstng86? Hang him by the balls!
    How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
      Where's mstng86? Hang him by the balls!


      Don't forget svt lurch, that son of a bitch!!!!

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      • #4
        No hablo ingles.

        You know, I can understand why people have problems with bofa with stuff like this. The bottom line is, this is all bullshit Countrywide started and now bofa is getting hit with it all. Out of all the acquisitions ken Lewis made, Countrywide put the nail in his coffin. Moynihan got stuck with this mess and has a value point. The rest of the bank is running smoothly.
        Last edited by mstng86; 08-11-2011, 10:33 PM.

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        • #5
          Sooo question... If a bank does go poof what happens to my moola(just for you jwp)?
          Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
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          • #6
            Originally posted by 347Mike View Post
            Sooo question... If a bank does go poof what happens to my moola(just for you jwp)?
            The FDIC only insures your deposits to $250,000, so you may want to divest your holdings to be on the safe side.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
              No hablo ingles.

              You know, I can understand why people have problems with bofa with stuff like this. The bottom line is, this is all bullshit Countrywide started and now bofa is getting hit with it all. Out of all the acquisitions ken Lewis made, Countrywide put the nail in his coffin. Moynihan got stuck with this mess and has a value point. The rest of the bank is running smoothly.
              WAIT! Wha, Wha Whaaaaa? Homer post of the fucking year!

              And LMAO@ the last sentence!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                The FDIC only insures your deposits to $250,000, so you may want to divest your holdings to be on the safe side.
                The thought the 250k insurance has reverted back to its normal 100k. Either way I like how they get all this money and that fuckstick ceo stil gets a multimillion dollar bonus

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                • #9
                  Bold the important parts. Its the only way I'm readin all that.

                  But again I'm going to have to call for the deaths of the people that run BoA, and Citi. As well as a couple of others. I'd like to see them strung up by their entrails and paraded through NYC.

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                  • #10
                    No, it's still $250K. I don't think they'll ever lower it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Denny View Post
                      WAIT! Wha, Wha Whaaaaa? Homer post of the fucking year!

                      And LMAO@ the last sentence!
                      Call it being a homer, but this bank was a stable institution before Countrywide was taken over. And it is a fact, all the other business are making money. The loses for BofA are directly linked to the past practices of Countrywide.

                      i am not saying bofa is perfect, but I am saying Ken Lewis should have looked at the details before buying that bs company.

                      Originally posted by Denny View Post
                      No, it's still $250K. I don't think they'll ever lower it.
                      Why would they? Money is no object any more.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Denny View Post
                        No, it's still $250K. I don't think they'll ever lower it.
                        Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                        Call it being a homer, but this bank was a stable institution before Countrywide was taken over. And it is a fact, all the other business are making money. The loses for BofA are directly linked to the past practices of Countrywide.

                        i am not saying bofa is perfect, but I am saying Ken Lewis should have looked at the details before buying that bs company.



                        Why would they? Money is no object any more.
                        they just elected to extend it through 2013. If the house of cards all comes down they won't be able to repay it anyway. Its like hell sure we will sure up to 900k

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                        • #13
                          I like how the article fails to mention that Bank of America paid back its TARP funds with interest to the government. This is after Paulson FORCED the banks to accept the money. That's right, not all of them needed it or wanted it. Here are the documents they signed:



                          Also, B of A ditched its holdings of subprime garbage long before the 2008 fiasco because Ken Lewis recognized that stuff was shit.

                          Don't get me wrong, this deal sounds like more help for them from the government but without knowing how much that loan portfolio is worth, no one can say. Is it worth $500 million? Doubtful. $450 million? $400? Who knows. We don't even know the face rate of the notes. I want to see if Fannie sells the right to service to someone else and see what that someone else would be willing to pay.

                          I do know that some of the idiots on the internet that hope and pray that B of A fails have no clue what they are saying. It seems like here lately we have gone from hating Goldman Sachs to hating B of A. Although it is highly unlikely because the Fed would bail them out, if they do fail it will make 2008 look like a fucking stroll through the park on a spring afternoon. The toothless hillbilly fucktards who would love to see them go under would be the first ones to "lose thur jerbs" and be eating dog food out of a can.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                            Call it being a homer, but this bank was a stable institution before Countrywide was taken over. And it is a fact, all the other business are making money. The loses for BofA are directly linked to the past practices of Countrywide.

                            i am not saying bofa is perfect, but I am saying Ken Lewis should have looked at the details before buying that bs company.
                            Why did BoA buy out Countrywide in the first place than?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                              I like how the article fails to mention that Bank of America paid back its TARP funds with interest to the government. This is after Paulson FORCED the banks to accept the money. That's right, not all of them needed it or wanted it. Here are the documents they signed:


                              Also, B of A ditched its holdings of subprime garbage long before the 2008 fiasco because Ken Lewis recognized that stuff was shit.

                              Don't get me wrong, this deal sounds like more help for them from the government but without knowing how much that loan portfolio is worth, no one can say. Is it worth $500 million? Doubtful. $450 million? $400? Who knows. We don't even know the face rate of the notes. I want to see if Fannie sells the right to service to someone else and see what that someone else would be willing to pay.

                              I do know that some of the idiots on the internet that hope and pray that B of A fails have no clue what they are saying. It seems like here lately we have gone from hating Goldman Sachs to hating B of A. Although it is highly unlikely because the Fed would bail them out, if they do fail it will make 2008 look like a fucking stroll through the park on a spring afternoon. The toothless hillbilly fucktards who would love to see them go under would be the first ones to "lose thur jerbs" and be eating dog food out of a can.

                              I wasn't going to bring this up, because I figured I would be torched. It has been openly known that Ken Lewis refused the bailout money, but was forced to take it in a way. And it was paid back in a decent amount of time with interest.

                              It would definitely throw a wrench in our whole economy if the largest mortgage lender and bank with the most deposits in the country failed.

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