GOP Debate tonight

[mustangguy289]

Ron Paul's foreign policy is abysmal. I completely respect the isolationist/libertarian approach - and I wish we could adopt it, and I think we could certainly put a lot of it into effect and save a shitload of money. However, his ambitions of letting Iran go ape shit is very concerning, to the point of dangerous. One thing about Ron Paul that is deadly serious is the fact the liberal media is already starting to cover him pretty regularly - and it's a strategy. They want Ron Paul's kookiness to represent the right wing, it makes it easier to portray us as nuts and unrealistic. The moment the liberal media starts sopping up a conservative candidate, you know trouble is afoot.

Exactly.

[Denny]

Ron Paul's foreign policy is abysmal. I completely respect the isolationist/libertarian approach - and I wish we could adopt it, and I think we could certainly put a lot of it into effect and save a shitload of money. However, his ambitions of letting Iran go ape shit is very concerning, to the point of dangerous. One thing about Ron Paul that is deadly serious is the fact the liberal media is already starting to cover him pretty regularly - and it's a strategy. They want Ron Paul's kookiness to represent the right wing, it makes it easier to portray us as nuts and unrealistic. The moment the liberal media starts sopping up a conservative candidate, you know trouble is afoot.

Are you kidding me?! The best thing we can do is get back and let the Middle East and let it correct itself. With us out of the way, Iran knows they better not do shit because Paul won't hold Israel back like previous Administrations because "It's not the US's business" like he always says. That's why Ahmadinejad is always spouting off at the mouth, because he is shielded by the US's "diplomacy tactics."

I'm sure this was just overlooked the first time.

[CJ]

I'm sure this was just overlooked the first time.

Israel gets nuked, we get into the fight, world war III/crusades. Awful idea. Ron Pauls foreign policy of isolationism would fail - the ONLY reason Iran hasn't yet destroyed Israel is because of the United State's certain involvement. Proactiveness is key here. Denny, not sure if you've studied World War II - but proponents of isolationism at the time stated France and Poland would benefit from our lack of involvement. Exact same situation - Iran has threatened to wipe BOTH Israel and the US off the map. He has declared all Jews should be annihilated - the parallels are so similar it's absolutely ridiculous. As shitty of a situation as it is, our economy depends on oil - and the middle east is who has it. If you intend to 'let it work itself out' keep in mind, our economy has a high likelihood of completely crashing and being annihilated. Not only that, but you are allowing the radical portion of Islam to grow in strength by possibly allowing them to topple legitimate governments, and causing the United States the greatest problem it could ever face. Unfortunately shit just isn't that simple.

[Denny]

Israel gets nuked, we get into the fight, world war III/crusades. Awful idea. Ron Pauls foreign policy of isolationism would fail - the ONLY reason Iran hasn't yet destroyed Israel is because of the United State's certain involvement.

Still not getting it. With the leash off of Israel, Iran won't get it completed. Paul has said since day one that countries take care of countries. Israel would deem it to be an imminent threat and handle business.

[CJ]

Still not getting it. With the leash off of Israel, Iran won't get it completed. Paul has said since day one that countries take care of countries. Israel would deem it to be an imminent threat and handle business.

History has proven Israel will do whatever the fuck they want. They didn't have our approval the last 3 times they bombed Nuclear facilities in the middle east. They know what's on the table, I assure you. Their biggest hope for existence is the United State's backing. Our failure to be proactive with Iran, or even a slight withdrawal in presence could spell disaster for them. Although Israel has repelled ground and air invasions 3 times previously, the reality is they could easily be overrun without any nukes at all. Each year that passes things get more difficult and dangerous for them. They are once again surrounded by governments that are militant (Egypt just rejoined the party).

[KungFuHamster]

History has proven Israel will do whatever the fuck they want. They didn't have our approval the last 3 times they bombed Nuclear facilities in the middle east. They know what's on the table, I assure you. Their biggest hope for existence is the United State's backing. Our failure to be proactive with Iran, or even a slight withdrawal in presence could spell disaster for them. Although Israel has repelled ground and air invasions 3 times previously, the reality is they could easily be overrun without any nukes at all. Each year that passes things get more difficult and dangerous for them. They are once again surrounded by governments that are militant (Egypt just rejoined the party).

lol. idk why, but this made me think of the commercial i saw on tv a while back advertising vacations in Israel.

[jw33]

So our current foreign policy is working fine and completly sustainable? I'm not, nor is Ron Paul I believe, saying Iran should be told to go buck wild and start WWIII. I just don't think the path we are going down has been or still is the best choice. The money/resources and people who have to be put into harms way are not worth the imaginary payoff. United States military action in that region is hopeless and breeds exactly what we are trying to defeat. It's not just my or other's opinion, it's becoming an everyday proven fact. Iraq and Afghanistan will never be what we were once told and led to believe even now going on 10-years at war. There is nothing wrong with pulling out at this point. We've done all we are going to do and saving some shit village in the hills of Afghanistan just isn't worth the lives of our military men/women or our tax dollars to myself anymore.

I see an important lesson to be learned from those two areas that should be considered when dealing with Iran. If we were to go in there to "liberate" the people, the chances are very high that we would be labbled invaders by everyone (which would be business as usual as far as how they see it) and it will be another cause for attacks on our military and country everywhere. Don't even give them the chance.

We all want to put the fear of Allah into Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Ok, let it be known that Isreal is free to do as it pleases and they are still one of our largest allies. We're not going to be involved with everything and play both sides anymore. Also, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are now on double secret probation when it comes to talking the talk and walking the walk. No more free lunch and fighting their fights. We will be watching and whatever happens, happens. I'm confident we can deal with the results. We should be jumping through our ass and risking our men/women for exactly what reasons? Iran may be crazy, but as long as we keep going down the path we're on I don't expect much different out of them only more of the same.

I think this is all healthy debate material. Lets get it all out there and really understand what is happening and what may happen in the future. I've learned to take a lot of what Ron Paul says and where he gets his direction from very serious because so much of it is from truly great people who have been there done that so to say. When people state that the world is not perfect I could not agree more. However, I believe we are nuts, and it may very well be the beginning of the end, if we think we can keep trying to change that part of the world by ourselves the way we are trying to do it.

[Cannonball996]

but paul is being realistic, you cant expect to make drastic cuts in spending, drastic cuts in taxes, and still continue to police the world. where is the money suppose to come from to do that? should the US ever have to get involved militarily with iran it will us trillions more then we have spent in iraq, and would likely turn the entire middle east into a war zone. so where will the money come from, raise taxes, or run up more debt?

[jw33]

Right. If we can all agree to tens of thousands of more causulties and trillions of more debt then we can start dropping bombs right away. The reality is that we cannot afford it and our future should not be tasked with shuffling all this money around for, at the end of the day, such a small payoff. There is nothing wrong with admitting that and name calling a person with that kind of clear head and guts a "pussy" is just foolish.

[Vertnut]

Ron Paul's foreign policy is abysmal. I completely respect the isolationist/libertarian approach - and I wish we could adopt it, and I think we could certainly put a lot of it into effect and save a shitload of money. However, his ambitions of letting Iran go ape shit is very concerning, to the point of dangerous. One thing about Ron Paul that is deadly serious is the fact the liberal media is already starting to cover him pretty regularly - and it's a strategy. They want Ron Paul's kookiness to represent the right wing, it makes it easier to portray us as nuts and unrealistic. The moment the liberal media starts sopping up a conservative candidate, you know trouble is afoot.

Dead-nuts right.

[Denny]

Right. If we can all agree to tens of thousands of more causulties and trillions of more debt then we can start dropping bombs right away. The reality is that we cannot afford it and our future should not be tasked with shuffling all this money around for, at the end of the day, such a small payoff. There is nothing wrong with admitting that and name calling a person with that kind of clear head and guts a "pussy" is just foolish.

Dead-nuts right.

[Vertnut]

Even IF they wouldn't use them themselves, Iran would sell nukes to any chicken-shit terrorist group that had the desire to obtain them.

[Denny]

They'd be stopped before it got made.

[CJ]

They'd be stopped before it got made.

That's what isolationist said about Germany. They'd be stopped before they ever started - almost verbatim.

[Hobie]

Anyone catch Cain with his Pokemon quote in his closing remarks?

"A poet once said, life can be a challenge, life can seem impossible, but it's never easy when there's so much on the line.'"

Google it for a laugh. He's sort of internet famous for this quote. Idiocracy, full steam ahead!