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    London rioter: “We’re just showing the rich people that we can do what we want”
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    posted at 4:45 pm on August 9, 2011 by Allahpundit
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    Two clips to usher in night four of Droogfest 2011. The common thread is that in both cases you’re watching rampaging cretins behave in a quasi-civilized manner. In the first, two giggly girls chat calmly with the BBC about the “mad fun” they’re having; in the second, rioters handle a wounded boy gingerly … before proceeding to rob him. Maybe we can let the lot of them off easy with a modified version of the Ludovico technique.

    If you missed it in Headlines this morning, read Brendan O’Neill’s essay on the riots as a byproduct of welfare-state decay. At the Corner, Iain Murray elaborates:

    Another left-wing friend of mine in the UK has another interesting theory — that the particular targeting of electronics and clothes shops represents an explosion of consumerism. Stay with me, because I think he has a point and I’d like to explain why. Much of the British underclass has had easy access to credit over the past decade or so — and why not, when they are on a secure income stream of state benefits — and they have spent this for the most part on TVs, video games, and “chav” fashion. That easy credit — which I should emphasize was encouraged by the loose monetary policy of Gordon Brown and Tony Blair — has now dried up, so they are looking to take for free what they previously got for nominal sums. There is more evidence for that conclusion in this BBC recording of two girls saying that the riots were about taking what they wanted, for free…

    I think what we are seeing in Britain is a conflation of two liberal dreams — that of the 1960s, in which parenting and tradition went out the window, and that of the 2000s, in which self-help was replaced by easy credit, benefits, and an all-mighty “health and safety” bureaucracy — together with the unfinished nature of the Thatcher revolution. Mrs. T enabled economic Thatcherism but was unable to finish the project of what I termed social Thatcherism, whereby a free society recognized the importance of what once were called manners.

    The result is a feral underclass without any understanding of tradition from right or left.

    O’Neill ends by laying into British cops for their paralysis, a ubiquitous critique in stories about the riots after three days of window-smashing. There are a lot of reasons for that. The police have in fact held back, only now considering water cannons and plastic bullets after millions in damage. The prime minister and the mayor of London were both on vacation when the riots began and Scotland Yard’s leadership recently resigned over the phone-hacking scandal, so for several days there’s been no one in charge. The Home Secretary, who was also on vacation, is prone to saying moronic things like, “The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon, the way we police in Britain is through consent of communities,” even as young degenerates ransack local communities without their consent. And of course it’s comforting in a moment of chaos to focus on the failings of the police, who are, unlike the rioters (oops, I mean “protesters”), accountable to the public. Build a better force and in theory you ensure this can’t happen again. In theory:

    Business owners accused police of adopting a softly-softly approach which left their shops and businesses vulnerable to attack by baying mobs.

    While police were criticised in some quarters for being far too slow to get to riot scenes, officers were accused by shopkeepers in Hackney of standing just yards away from looters as windows were smashed and armfuls of goods were scooped up…

    Firearms units trained to use the rubber bullets are braced in case they are needed. It would be the first time ever the baton rounds have been used in British disturbances.

    Mr Kavanagh said Scotland Yard was ‘not going to throw 180 years of policing with the community away’ as the prospect of using the ammunition for the first time at a British disturbance was raised.

    Imagine how bad things could get if they did that. There might be riots.

    There are many ways to measure the awfulness of what’s happening but chew on these two while you watch. According to residents in Birmingham, looters are literally stealing the clothes off of people’s backs, stopping them and forcing them to strip. The Daily Mail has a too-bad-to-check photo via Twitter. Beyond that, in the Middle East and elsewhere, there’s gloating going on both by authoritarian governments, who are mocking the Brits for not liquidating all of their troublemakers on the spot, and by the victims of those authoritarian governments, who are mocking the rioters for turning their “protests” into a pretext to steal DVD players. All of which is to say, this is a complete fiasco by any yardstick.

    Onto the videos. I’ve included a third (audio) clip below as a little bonus; yes, that is indeed Hulk Hogan’s voice you’re hearing. Click the image to watch.
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    The middle class fighting for less taxes is one thing. The lazy idiots on welfare fighting to protect their entitlements is another. I say open season on them idiots.
    Whos your Daddy?

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    • #3
      One of my old admins lives there in London and she said there were "rioters" right down the road from her house setting shit on fire and not a cop to be seen anywhere near. The cops over there don't carry firearms unless part of a SWAT team or anti-terrorism squad. Most of these "rioters" are really anarchists or shitbags just using this environment as an excuse to tear shit up.
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
        One of my old admins lives there in London and she said there were "rioters" right down the road from her house setting shit on fire and not a cop to be seen anywhere near. The cops over there don't carry firearms unless part of a SWAT team or anti-terrorism squad. Most of these "rioters" are really anarchists or shitbags just using this environment as an excuse to tear shit up.
        And it will happen here too soon, I'm sure. The only thing is, I wouldn't have a problem putting some sack of shit down who's torching the town.
        How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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        • #5
          Dammit! I just came back from there two weeks ago. Why does all the cool shit happen when Im not there.
          First hand witness at the failure of public healthcare.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
            And it will happen here too soon, I'm sure. The only thing is, I wouldn't have a problem putting some sack of shit down who's torching the town.
            Maybe in NY, Chicago or LA. They'd have to be armed like a militia to get away with it here.
            Originally posted by racrguy
            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
            Originally posted by racrguy
            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
              And it will happen here too soon, I'm sure. The only thing is, I wouldn't have a problem putting some sack of shit down who's torching the town.
              Too late
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              The July 4 fireworks display in the Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights was anything but a family affair.

              As many as 1,000 teenagers, mobilized through social networking sites, turned out and soon started fighting and disrupting the event.

              Thanks to social networks like Twitter and Facebook, more and more so-called flash mobs are materializing across the globe, leaving police scrambling to keep tabs on the spontaneous assemblies. On Tuesday night, Britain was bracing for a fourth night of rioting as youths used BlackBerry cellphones to mobilize.

              One looter's text message before the violence spread read: "If you're down for making money, we're about to go hard in east London."

              Flash mobs started off in 2003 as peaceful and often humorous acts of public performance, such as mass dance routines or street pillow fights. But in recent years, the term has taken a darker twist as criminals exploit the anonymity of crowds, using social networking to coordinate everything from robberies to fights to general chaos.

              "They're gathering with an intent behind it — not just to enjoy the event," Shaker Heights Police Chief D. Scott Lee said. "All too often, some of the intent is malicious."

              In London, rioting and looting was blamed in part on groups of youths using Twitter, mobile phone text messages and instant messaging on BlackBerry to organize and keep a step ahead of police. Blackberry's manufacturer, Research in Motion, issued a statement offering empathy for the rioting victims.

              "We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can," the statement said.

              And Sunday in Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter condemned the behavior of teenagers involved in flash mobs that have left several people injured in recent weeks.

              "What is making this unique today is the social media aspect," said Everett Gillison, Philadelphia's deputy mayor for public safety. "They can communicate and congregate at a moment's notice. That can overwhelm any municipality."

              A Philadelphia man was assaulted by a group of about 30 people who were believed to have gotten together through Twitter. In 2009, crowds swelled along the trendy South Street shopping district and assaulted several people.

              On June 23, a couple dozen youths arrived via subway in Upper Darby, outside Philadelphia, and looted several hundred dollars of sneakers, socks and wrist watches from a Sears store. Their haul wasn't especially impressive but the sheer size of the group and the speed of the roughly five-minute operation made them all but impossible to stop.

              "The good thing is there were no weapons and nobody tried to stop them, either," Upper Darby Police Chief Michael Chitwood said. "The only people that tried to stop them were the police when they rounded them up."

              Dubbed "flash mob robberies," the thefts are bedeviling both police and retailers, who say some of the heists were orchestrated or at least boasted about afterward on social networking sites.

              In recognition of the problem, the National Retail Federation issued a report last week recommending steps stores can take to ward off the robberies. There have even been legislative efforts to criminalize flash mobs.

              The Cleveland City Council passed a bill to make it illegal to use social media to organize a violent and disorderly flash mob, though the mayor vetoed the measure after the ACLU of Ohio promised it would be unconstitutional. The bill was at least partly inspired by the Shaker Heights disturbances on July 4.

              Social networking and technology companies often have policies for coordinating with law enforcement authorities.

              Twitter, for example, says it requires a court order or subpoena to share non-public information about its users with law enforcement — including protected tweets. But company officials also warn they can't review the more than 200 million tweets sent daily on the website and that some of the information may be inaccurate if a user has created a fake or anonymous profile.

              Jonathan Taplin, director of the innovation lab at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication, said he was not surprised to see people using social media for organizing flash mob robberies.

              "You are essentially having a world where you have 25 million people who are underemployed and 2 percent of the population doing better than they ever have," Taplin said. "Why wouldn't that lead to some sort of social unrest? Why wouldn't people use the latest technologies to effect that?"

              In Los Angeles last month, thousands of ravers forced rush-hour street closures when they descended on a Hollywood cinema after a DJ tweeted he was holding a free block party. The sudden crowd dispersed only after police fired bean-bag bullets at the restive revelers and arrested three.

              And in April, a man was shot when hundreds of rival gang members congregated along the Los Angeles seafront in Venice, sparking pandemonium as people scattered for cover. The group had gathered after some of them posted on Twitter and police were still strategizing their response to the huge crowd when shots rang out.

              Los Angeles police Capt. Jon Peters said law enforcement's challenge is to try to sift the ocean of tweets and Facebook updates for signs of trouble.

              "We need to be able to get better on the intelligence side to pick up on communications that are going on," he said.

              Gillison, the deputy mayor from Philadelphia, said the police department there has reached out to younger community members and friended some of them on Facebook. This enables officers to monitor the traffic that could generate flash mobs and some have been prevented, he said.

              In April, about 20 teenagers entered G-Star Raw, a high-end men's clothing store in the Dupont Circle neighborhood of the District of Columbia, and stole about $20,000 worth of merchandise despite employees' efforts to grab the apparel back, store manager Greg Lennon said. D.C. police have investigated leads but have not made arrests in the case.

              Lennon said he later saw Twitter postings, apparently written after the robbery, that referenced the theft, with one person describing having been in the store and making plans to come back.

              The National Retail Federation said 10 percent of 106 companies it surveyed reported being targeted in the last year by groups of thieves using flash mob tactics.

              "Retailers are raising red flags about criminal flash mobs, which are wreaking havoc on their business, causing concerns about the safety of their customers and employees, and directly impacting their bottom line," the federation said in a report, which advises retailers to monitor social media networks and report planned heists to the police.

              That's exactly what Lennon does. He says he checks his store's Facebook page to see who's visiting, and monitors Twitter for any reference to his store and its merchandise.

              Gillison and others blame at least part of the problem on bad parenting.

              "They're 12 years old and not around the corner from their home. Where's their parents?" said Chitwood, the Upper Darby police chief. "If they're out doing flash mob thefts when they're 12, what the hell are they going to be doing when they're 16?"
              Pull this shit around me and my wife while we are out and about and it may only be a 9mm barrel port you see, but it will get your attention.
              Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                Maybe in NY, Chicago or LA. They'd have to be armed like a militia to get away with it here.
                I'd agree. Somewhere that has strict gun laws.
                Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
                Too late
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                Pull this shit around me and my wife while we are out and about and it may only be a 9mm barrel port you see, but it will get your attention.
                Ironically, Wisconsin's CCW goes into effect in a month or two. (mob there earlier this week)
                This country is going downhill fast http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html "It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car. "I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and
                "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                  I'd agree. Somewhere that has strict gun laws.


                  Ironically, Wisconsin's CCW goes into effect in a month or two. (mob there earlier this week)
                  http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ight=milwaukee
                  It is only going to get worse. Gald I live on the outskirts of major town in the great State of Texas
                  Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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                  • #10
                    Lock and load, open season on the little hood rats!

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                    • #11
                      Heineken, official sponsor of the London riots


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                      • #12
                        I don't know whether to laugh or cry. What's a UK citizen to do when guns and most knives are banned?

                        Online baseball bat sales spike during London riots

                        Sales for baseball bats on Amazon UK have risen by more than 6000 percent over the past 24 hours,
                        presumably due to the civil unrest engulfing the island nation. But it's unclear whether the sales of sluggers are due to trouble makers gearing up for a fight or concerned citizens looking after their own interests.

                        Surely it's not a groundswell of baseball fever?

                        The most popular bat of choice Tuesday is a 23-inch Rucanor aluminum bat selling for about $28. The item has risen from 6,974 to the 105th most popular sports and leisure item on Amazon UK. The next most popular is a military police baton, which is followed by another five baseball bats ranging in price from $15-$30.

                        The issue has sparked something of a debate on Hacker News where the baseball bat spike was first noticed. While some argue that a baseball bat would be a great disguised weapon when you're looking to destroy property, others have said shopkeepers and home owners may be purchasing bats to take care of their properth and families amid the chaos. The Guardian has a video showing Turkish shop owners in East London protecting their stores: Several men carry various pipes, sticks, and other implements.
                        ...
                        While London riots, Amazon sees a huge spike in baseball bat sales in the United Kingdom. Are they being bought by rioters or concerned citizens? Surely not new MLB fans?
                        Last edited by GhostTX; 08-09-2011, 08:58 PM.
                        "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                        • #13
                          the big problem in the UK and europe is the youth unemployment, these people are frustrated because they can not start a career and get on with their lives. will it happen here? right now I think just enough people in the US have employment, and they dont want to give that up, to prevent a major riot.

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                          • #14
                            Funny about the bats because there it is illegal to attack someone while defending yourself. Britain has to be one of the most fucked up countries there are; if the whole thing burned tomorrow all it would do is get rid of a bunch or liberal bastards. I was watching a video a while back where a guy used a bat or mallet to hit a thug breaking into his house; the homeowner went to jail for assault and the thug was not charged. They also have fucked up housing laws; I saw another story where a family when on vacation and squatters moved into their house. By law there squatters have rights so they kept the house and all the belongings and the family was basically kicked out on the streets. God England is fucked up; no wonder the Irish keep bombing the shit out of everything. I wouldn't want to be under British rule either with all of that fucked up nonsense.
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                            • #15
                              Darcus Howe, a West Indian Writer and Broadcaster with a voice about the riots. Speaking about the mistreatment of youths by police leading to an up-roar and the ignorance of both police and the government.


                              Last edited by scootro; 08-09-2011, 09:15 PM.

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