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    WASHINGTON — House Democrats said Wednesday that President Barack Obama should invoke a little-known constitutional provision to prevent the nation from going into default if Congress fails to come up with a plan to raise the debt ceiling.

    Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, a member of the Democratic leadership, said he told fellow Democrats that Obama should both veto any House GOP plan for a short-term extension of the debt ceiling and invoke the 14th amendment, which says that the validity of the nation's public debt "shall not be questioned."

    The White House has rejected resorting to this tactic to keep the nation from defaulting, questioning its legality, but Rep. John Larson of Connecticut, who chairs the Democratic caucus, said "we're getting down to decision time" and "we have to have a failsafe mechanism and we believe that failsafe mechanism is the 14th Amendment and the president of the United States."

    Larson said Clyburn's proposal on the 14th Amendment was met with applause by other Democrats at their meeting.

    The Democratic leaders said the vast majority in their party still support a plan for raising the debt ceiling and cutting spending put forth by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. But they said the inability of the government to pay its debts could drive up interest rates and affect millions of Americans forced to pay higher mortgages and higher interest on student loans.

    Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, the assistant caucus chair, said Democrats are telling Obama, "Mr. President, Republicans through their failure have given you license to do whatever it takes to not let the American family go down into that abyss with House Republicans."

    The post-Civil War 14th Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to all people born or naturalized in the United States contains a provision that "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

    Some legal scholars have said the president can invoke that clause to keep the nation from defaulting on the debt, although there is no legal precedent for such an action.
    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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    He does and he's toast. It says only congress can issue new debt
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    • #3
      Obama may be a dumb ass but he knows what the legal definition of public debt is. Over the past week or so he has changed what he has been saying. He was saying "Our debt", now he is saying "Our obligations". He know damn well that our debt is the outstanding Treasury Bonds and not all of the entitlement programs.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by svo855 View Post
        Obama may be a dumb ass but he knows what the legal definition of public debt is. Over the past week or so he has changed what he has been saying. He was saying "Our debt", now he is saying "Our obligations". He know damn well that our debt is the outstanding Treasury Bonds and not all of the entitlement programs.
        Exactly. Debt service is 6% of the budget. They don't need to borrow any more money to pay the interest, they just have to stop spending on useless shit.
        Originally posted by racrguy
        What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
        Originally posted by racrguy
        Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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        • #5
          If he revokes it (can he even legally do that?) it would open the door to no questions asked nationalization of the illegals already here, and any more that can run jump or swim over here.
          "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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          • #6
            My problem right now is if the Republican party doesnt unify...we are going to be fucked with Harry Reids problem. I know that we have to be strong in our views and Im thankful that there are House members that are (Tea party people) but Id rather take a less than ideal Republican plan than that demon plan the libs are pushing.

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            • #7
              congress will raise the limit. buy on this fear and profit

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                My problem right now is if the Republican party doesnt unify...we are going to be fucked with Harry Reids problem. I know that we have to be strong in our views and Im thankful that there are House members that are (Tea party people) but Id rather take a less than ideal Republican plan than that demon plan the libs are pushing.
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                2 Chronicles 7:14
                If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

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                • #9
                  He's an idiot, but he's nowhere near being that kind of stupid. Obama knows impeachment would probably follow. Would he survive? I think he doesn't want to find out.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Baron View Post
                    If he revokes it (can he even legally do that?) it would open the door to no questions asked nationalization of the illegals already here, and any more that can run jump or swim over here.
                    He wouldn't revoke it, and this doesn't have anything to do with illegal immigration. He'd invoke the protection of the 14th amendment by ordering the treasury to keep borrowing. I'm not sure how he'd dance around the, "congressionally apportioned," part of it, though. There's a lot on the books that's not congressionally apportioned.

                    EDIT: The shitty thing about him doing it is, he'd just do it, and then Congress would decide if they're going to take any action or not, and it may have to play out in federal court first, so it's an even crazier answer to our already insane problems.
                    Last edited by YALE; 07-27-2011, 11:14 PM.
                    ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                      My problem right now is if the Republican party doesnt unify...we are going to be fucked with Harry Reids problem. I know that we have to be strong in our views and Im thankful that there are House members that are (Tea party people) but Id rather take a less than ideal Republican plan than that demon plan the libs are pushing.
                      I think that some kind of agreement will be reached before the deadline; the question is which side will blink first. With a government as big as ours there is obviously much fat that can be trimmed away and i think that needs to be done first before any tax increases happen, but does washington have the will to do it? 2012 is looking very interesting to me with all of this crap going on right now; i think a lot of politicians will be hitting the unemployment line.

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                      • #12
                        They will do what ever they want to do. It is not a Democrat/Republican deal at all. It is the "Elites" (Ruling Class), that will hold the playhouse together. I have always sai that there are two things about ALL politicians that are always true. 1. They all lie 2. they all steal.

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                        • #13
                          I do not see the point of the house plan, not nearly enough cuts, and we have to go through this again in 6 months. the senate plan, gets us into 2013, offers deeper cuts then the house plan, but its still not enough, we need about 4 trillion.

                          if they keep pushing this off with out enough spending cuts, they will have no choice but to raise taxes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cannonball996 View Post
                            I do not see the point of the house plan, not nearly enough cuts, and we have to go through this again in 6 months. the senate plan, gets us into 2013, offers deeper cuts then the house plan, but its still not enough, we need about 4 trillion.

                            if they keep pushing this off with out enough spending cuts, they will have no choice but to raise taxes.
                            The point is NOT to raise taxes. The whole point of revisiting this in 6 months is because of the elections. There needs to be a CLEAR message as to what is going on so people vote according to how they think everything is being handled. Dont you understand Obama wants this to go past the elections so he looks like some freaking hero and he can get reelected? Boehner has made it clear that his cuts are true cuts...not an already planned decrease in spending from the Iraq/Afghanistan wars that was added into Reids plan. Sure Reids plan looks like more cuts but its not due to the decreased spending on Iraq/Afghanistan. From what I have read, his plan is to cut more defense and less entitlement programs.

                            The true question is...why the hell cant Reid and the Dems talk about their plan. Where are the cuts? What is the plan? They have never openly showed a budget. People think Ryan's plan is insane... at least he has a damn plan

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cannonball996 View Post
                              I do not see the point of the house plan, not nearly enough cuts, and we have to go through this again in 6 months. the senate plan, gets us into 2013, offers deeper cuts then the house plan, but its still not enough, we need about 4 trillion.

                              if they keep pushing this off with out enough spending cuts, they will have no choice but to raise taxes.
                              The problem with raising taxes is it will lead to increased spending, and then we will have the exact same issue to deal with once again in the future. its like giving a drunk more to drink.

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