Atlas Shrugging

[Forever_frost]

Seems that businesses are getting tired of Barry and the federal government making them out to be the bad guys so they're quitting.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/right-out-of-atlas-shrugged-hear-an-exasperated-alabama-businessman-tell-the-feds-im-just-quitting/

[YALE]

This situation sounds weird for a couple of reasons. First, the only things the Atlas shrugged model doesn't address are demand, and the innovation it drives. Those are important considerations. It assumes that all the people that can figure something out have, and that no one else will step up to do anything if those currently running an industry quit. Trust me, there are plenty of people that are hungry, and trying to get into industries that are plenty saturated. It's also disingenuous for this guy to talk about the costs for permitting and inspection if you don't take into account the myriad subsidies, tax breaks, and tax refunds coal operators get. I'd like to know more about this guy's story before proclaiming American industrialists are, "just quitting."

[Cannonball996]

this is nothing new, $250 grand for permits is nothing in the energy world. the other concern is the drinking water, and thats a valid concern.

[Forever_frost]

I agree that drinking water is a concern, but if a company is playing by the rules, you do NOT make them look like bad guys. Not if you want them to stay around.

[Sean88gt]

This type of behavior will continue to happen. My dad wants to shut his business down but is so far entrenched he can't. I'm sure there are others as well that pulled out loans to stay in business on the hopes that the market would turn around and it hasn't.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Ironically, I'm making a living because of federal regulations. It's become a career path for me. I see the affects though. We just shelved a project worth millions to several companies - ours included - and people are screaming about all the hurdles and whatnot. It's to the point that sales could fall through as alternatives are sought by businesses needing solutions now. Not when the federal government gets around to rubber stamping them.

[Cannonball996]

with my small business, it has been the state government that has frustrated me more then the fed. it seems every year the price goes up on some license or fee that needs to be paid to the state of texas. and the costs are one thing, but what really gets me its rare you can ever get a state official on the phone, and when you do they are clueless, for several things they do not accept payment over the phone or online (has to be mailed in). all this makes you want to pack up and leave, and it might one day, I still want to live abroad before I get to old.

[slow06]

with my small business, it has been the state government that has frustrated me more then the fed. it seems every year the price goes up on some license or fee that needs to be paid to the state of texas. and the costs are one thing, but what really gets me its rare you can ever get a state official on the phone, and when you do they are clueless, for several things they do not accept payment over the phone or online (has to be mailed in). all this makes you want to pack up and leave, and it might one day, I still want to live abroad before I get to old.

I deal with state level government in all 50 states and it is rarely a good experience. Every once in a while I encounter a truly helpful person and I try to make sure they know I appreciate it. My company has the same problem with fees/licenses going up often. It's the cost of doing business, but it increases rather often.

I have never dealt with the US Federal Government, other than applying for a couple of FEIN's online. I dealt with the Canadian Government quite a bit for a stretch of 2 months or so and they were the most incredibly helpful people I have ever talked to. I don't deal with corporate taxes in the US, but I was sent on a wild goose chase researching various taxes in Canada. Repeated calls and questions never got to them. I learned a lot working with them about taxes and about how to treat people.

[FastFox]

Sort of like Boeing wanting to open a plant in North Carolina and the NLRB says they can't. I think Boeing should just shut down and move to some shit hole place and still sell planes to America. Hell, American airlines just bought half of the big plane from Air Bus. Isn't that in France ? Go figure.

[GhostTX]

Obama did say he wanted to shut down coal mining...

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Sort of like Boeing wanting to open a plant in North Carolina and the NLRB says they can't. I think Boeing should just shut down and move to some shit hole place and still sell planes to America. Hell, American airlines just bought half of the big plane from Air Bus. Isn't that in France ? Go figure.

They outsourced the 787 domestically and internationally, with final assembly occurring only in Everett (by union labor that went on strike in 2008, shutting down production and further exacerbating program delays). One of the domestic companies involved was Vought Aircraft that had established a plant in South Carolina. Boeing eventually purchased that plant because Vought became insolvent and Boeing likely desired to build another plant nearby because it made sense to do so. Afterall, they had already built this monstrosity to fly entire completed sections of the 787 back to Everett:


EDIT: actually, looks like the new plant was to be where final assembly occurred. It was planned for Everett for years.

Here's how much is not domestic:

[Denny]

Holy crap! LMAO!!!

[big_tiger]

That ^^ is ridiculous, lol. How in the hell do they make money, having to ship so much shit?

[GhostTX]

That ^^ is ridiculous, lol. How in the hell do they make money, having to ship so much shit?

Airlines apparently don't have a problem paying 202 to 245.5 million US dollars for one plane...

[SMEGMA STENCH]

This situation sounds weird for a couple of reasons. First, the only things the Atlas shrugged model doesn't address are demand, and the innovation it drives. Those are important considerations. It assumes that all the people that can figure something out have, and that no one else will step up to do anything if those currently running an industry quit. Trust me, there are plenty of people that are hungry, and trying to get into industries that are plenty saturated. It's also disingenuous for this guy to talk about the costs for permitting and inspection if you don't take into account the myriad subsidies, tax breaks, and tax refunds coal operators get. I'd like to know more about this guy's story before proclaiming American industrialists are, "just quitting."

Except when, (and I know this sounds hard to believe) they don't have the fucking money. I hear democraps saying this all the time. Its like they forgot we're in the middle of a global economic meltdown.