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  • ATF email supports the assertion that Fast and Furious was a PR stunt against 2A?

    PJM’s Bob Owens has long speculated that the primary reason for Operation Fast and Furious was to perpetuate the lie that 90 percent of illegal firearms in Mexico were from the United States.

    Owens’ assertion was buoyed on Wednesday by internal ATF emails obtained by Townhall.com. One email reads:

    Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations.

    This would seem to be a “smoking gun” for Owens’ assertion that this operation was never about crime and always about an “under the table” effort to institute the gun control Obama knew he could never push through Congress.

    Additionally, Obama has just issued an executive order which requires gun dealers in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California to report multiple long gun (rifle or shotgun) purchases to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in order to combat illegal firearms trafficking along the Mexican border.

    The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action fired back at President Obama’s order. Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, said they will be filing a lawsuit against the new order the first time ATF tries to enforce it. He noted that criminals generally don’t fill out forms:

    $40 billion transnational criminal enterprises don’t fill out paperwork and are not deterred by paperwork violations. This is a blatant effort by the Obama administration and ATF to divert focus of Congress and the general public from their gross incompetence in the Fast and Furious scandal. This scheme will unjustly burden law-abiding retailers in border states. It will not affect drug cartels and it won’t prevent violence along our borders. ATF and the administration lack the statutory authority to do this and the NRA will file suit as soon as ATF sends the first demand letters.

    Obama’s order is awash in hypocrisy per the details of the Gunwalker scandal. It was the ATF which ordered gun dealers to make multiple sales of military-style and .50 caliber sniper rifles to known and suspected straw purchasers in the Operation Fast and Furious debacle, in which more than 2,500 weapons were allowed to walk across the border by the ATF. The dealers were already reporting multiple long gun sales and the ATF told them to make the sales anyway.

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform who has been investigating the mess form the beginning, said the executive order was about politics:

    This political maneuver seems designed to protect the careers of political appointees at the Justice Department and not public safety. It’s disconcerting that Justice Department officials who may have known about or tried to cover-up gunwalking in Operation Fast and Furious are continuing attempts to distract attention from clear wrongdoing. In Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers didn’t need this regulation as they voluntarily provided ATF agents with information about suspected straw purchasers. In return for this voluntary cooperation, the Justice Department betrayed them by offering false assurances that they would closely monitor sales of weapons that dealers otherwise did not want to make.

    Sen. Charles Grassley, (R-IA), ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was equally outraged by the executive order:

    We’ve learned from our investigation of Fast and Furious that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. In fact, in just the documents we’ve obtained, we are aware of 150 multiple long gun sales associated with the ATF’s Fast and Furious case, and despite the fact that nearly all of these sales were reported in real time by cooperating gun dealers, the ATF watched the guns be transported from known straw purchasers to third parties and then let the guns walk away, often across the border. This makes it pretty clear that the problem isn’t lack of burdensome reporting requirements. The administration’s continued overreach with regulations continues, and is a distraction from its reckless policy to allow guns to walk into Mexico.

    Two U.S. law enforcement agents are dead because of this operation, and a reported 150 Mexican citizens are as well. Additionally, the guns are now showing up in U.S. crimes.
    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

  • #2
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    "Operation Fast and Furious was to perpetuate the lie that 90 percent of illegal firearms in Mexico were from the United States."

    That is exactly what i think.

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    • #3
      same here
      I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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      • #4
        Man, WTF is wrong with these people? How do they keep getting away with this shit?
        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Yale View Post
          Man, WTF is wrong with these people? How do they keep getting away with this shit?
          The lack of bullets exposing gray matter to open air.

          Stevo
          Originally posted by SSMAN
          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stevo View Post
            The lack of bullets exposing gray matter to open air.

            Stevo
            The balance of power in this country is all wrong.
            ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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            • #7
              People need to start banging the fucking drum 100 times louder on this story. Eric Holder and our shit for brains President are getting away with an indirect murder. The story has COMPLETELY disappeared from view. No news networks are covering it anymore and no online news sources are covering it either. It's one of the scariest goddamn things I've heard of our government doing, not to mention one of the most vile things. And they are getting away with it scott fucking free. WHY?
              How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
                People need to start banging the fucking drum 100 times louder on this story. Eric Holder and our shit for brains President are getting away with an indirect murder. The story has COMPLETELY disappeared from view. No news networks are covering it anymore and no online news sources are covering it either. It's one of the scariest goddamn things I've heard of our government doing, not to mention one of the most vile things. And they are getting away with it scott fucking free. WHY?
                I've been watching this story since it broke, and this past week I've seen it only mentioned once (Fox News) and it was more about the fact that the operation may have had a offshoot to it. Other than that, you are right, it has completely dropped from the radar of the news networks. The pieces are all there, it is very obvious what happened, and yet no one is really doing anything. There isn't even anything really happening on the NRA's website on this either! Its disgusting, and absolutely inexcusable for this be allowed to happen.

                I'm generally not a "tin foil hat" type, and I don't buy in to a lot of conspiracy theory stuff that seems to be floating around. But this is something I'm having a hard time understanding not only how was it allowed to happen, but why are we, the people, not raising hell about this? Allowing events like this to happen is what is going to lead to the loss of our freedoms.

                -Eric
                Last edited by reo; 07-18-2011, 05:40 AM. Reason: spelling

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by reo View Post
                  I've been watching this story since it broke, and this past week I've seen it only mentioned once (Fox News) and it was more about the fact that the operation may have had a offshoot to it. Other than that, you are right, it has completely dropped from the radar of the news networks. The pieces are all there, it is very obvious what happened, and yet no one is really doing anything. There isn't even anything really happening on the NRA's website on this either! Its disgusting, and absolutely inexcusable for this be allowed to happen.

                  I'm generally not a "tin foil hat" type, and I don't buy in to a lot of conspiracy theory stuff that seems to be floating around. But this is something I'm having a hard time understanding not only how was it allowed to happen, but why are we, the people, not raising hell about this? Allowing events like this to happen is what is going to lead to the lose of our freedoms.

                  -Eric
                  And possibly lives.

                  And to amend my previous statement, Eric Holder and our shit for brains President are getting away with an indirect murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent and almost certainly many other murders of Mexican citizens. Not only should we, the people be raising hell about this, but the Mexican government should be raising hell about it as well.
                  How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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                  • #10
                    GOA hasn't let it drop. I've been getting updates
                    I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                    • #11
                      Un fucking believable. Break up the ATF and get these crooked ass people out of power.

                      Oh yeah, and close the fucking border already!

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                      • #12
                        I meant to include the murder of the Border Patrol agent. And yes, I have no doubt that the influx of those weapons has caused additional deaths. Not saying some of those deaths were avoidable if the guns hadn't slipped over, I'm just saying it sure as hell helped. The way I look at this scandal is this; would it be any different if I knowingly gave a felon one of my handguns, and he then went and killed someone. Would I not have been held responsible? I think we know the answer. Ya know, some people wanted to condemn Bush for giving the go ahead for the interrogations that led to the death of those 2 terror suspects, but what now?

                        As far as what to do with the ATF. Personally, we should do away with them. Get a bunch of clerks and what not to still run the whole part of getting Form 1, 4, FFL, etc. Also, have inspectors, but act more like code enforcement. And thats it. Nothing else. Got a FFL not doing the right stuff, report him to the local police (I'm thinking County level). The clerks provide all the relevant info as to what the FFL has been up to and be done. There is no need to have a federal agency doing what the ATF has been doing. Considering it IS mostly dot your i and cross your t kinda stuff, and then taxes, why are they still around? And before anyone else thinks about, no, you DO NOT want the ATF to be swallowed up by a larger agency like DHS or the FBI, not with the man power and funding those guys have.

                        -Eric

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                          "Operation Fast and Furious was to perpetuate the lie that 90 percent of illegal firearms in Mexico were from the United States."

                          That is exactly what i think.
                          At the very very very very least, it looks really fucking suspicious.

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