Gay history lessons now required in CA

[Denny]

He's referring to people removing religion from schools, only to put the "gay agenda" in its place.

That sounds TONS better.

[SlowLX]

That's my point. None and it shouldn't be taught. Black history month? Fuck no. Gay focused lessons? Fuck that. When are they going to have straight, white, Christian studies?

So the deep South shouldn't have a more intensive look at history of blacks as is relevant to southern culture and history? That's cool just cut out 1865-1954...the amount of relevant history in the South that pertains to blacks and their experience outweighs by a large margin everything but a forced agrarian reform in the South. Of course more emphasis on black history makes sense in the South. Nationally? Fuck no, there's probably people in Oregon who never saw a black guy until they were in middle school. America is too large to have one definitive view of US History, because US History is different for every region and culture of America. Then the whole "When are they going to have straight, white, Christian studies?" Minus the religion part did you not pay attention to US History in high school? It's all about the "American" experience ie white people. Tweaking a states education to more clearly reflect it's cultural history is far from irrelevant. Should it be a forced class that dominates the entire study? No but should we exclude it as an optional add on on the basis that you think we should only highlight the white middle class experience in America? Hell no.

[Denny]

So the deep South shouldn't have a more intensive look at history of blacks as is relevant to southern culture and history? That's cool just cut out 1865-1954...the amount of relevant history in the South that pertains to blacks and their experience outweighs by a large margin everything but a forced agrarian reform in the South. Of course more emphasis on black history makes sense in the South. Nationally? Fuck no, there's probably people in Oregon who never saw a black guy until they were in middle school. America is too large to have one definitive view of US History, because US History is different for every region and culture of America. Then the whole "When are they going to have straight, white, Christian studies?" Minus the religion part did you not pay attention to US History in high school? It's all about the "American" experience ie white people. Tweaking a states education to more clearly reflect it's cultural history is far from irrelevant. Should it be a forced class that dominates the entire study? No but should we exclude it as an optional add on on the basis that you think we should only highlight the white middle class experience in America? Hell no.

No, Frost is right. It's not a regional thing for a national history.

[racrguy]

That sounds TONS better.

One has a constitutional amendment about it, the other doesn't.

I'm not sure how they're phrasing the way they teach them, but I have no problems with the kids being taught (hypothetical situation) "Here's Joe Shit the Rag Man, he invented the tooth brush, and he's gay." Just like I wouldn't have a problem with them saying "Here's Hitler, he killed millions of Jews, he was a devout Catholic."

I also have no problem with the teaching of the gay movement in america along side with the womens rights, and the civil rights movements. All of which get more time than I think they should, though.

[Forever_frost]

So the deep South shouldn't have a more intensive look at history of blacks as is relevant to southern culture and history? That's cool just cut out 1865-1954...the amount of relevant history in the South that pertains to blacks and their experience outweighs by a large margin everything but a forced agrarian reform in the South. Of course more emphasis on black history makes sense in the South. Nationally? Fuck no, there's probably people in Oregon who never saw a black guy until they were in middle school. America is too large to have one definitive view of US History, because US History is different for every region and culture of America. Then the whole "When are they going to have straight, white, Christian studies?" Minus the religion part did you not pay attention to US History in high school? It's all about the "American" experience ie white people. Tweaking a states education to more clearly reflect it's cultural history is far from irrelevant. Should it be a forced class that dominates the entire study? No but should we exclude it as an optional add on on the basis that you think we should only highlight the white middle class experience in America? Hell no.

And this is why states should control schools with no federal oversight. If this stopped at california that would be fine, but libs will force this far and wide

[Denny]

Eh, it's whatever... they just keep making sub-classes on top of sub-classes to benefit a specific group, then make them an oppressed victim to something just to keep us arguing and divided while they work on controlling everything else.

[line-em-up]

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I agree, I dont want to see the lifestyle aspect of it taught, especially the sex. but the historical facts do deserve a mention in the history books.

Just like the plauge and witches burned at the stake.

[Denny]

Just like the plauge and witches burned at the stake.

No, he just wants to whack off at the man-on-man pictures.

[line-em-up]

One has a constitutional amendment about it, the other doesn't.

It's funny how the same people who want to follow the constitution to forward their agenda are the ones that think our contitition is outdated and should be changed for their benefit.

[racrguy]

It's funny how the same people who want to follow the constitution to forward their agenda are the ones that think our contitition is outdated and should be changed for their benefit.

Is this supposed to be a blanket statement?

[SlowLX]

And this is why states should control schools with no federal oversight. If this stopped at california that would be fine, but libs will force this far and wide

I'll concede that this is being driven by more than the relevant history of California.

[Denny]

Is this supposed to be a blanket statement?

No... LOL!

[mikeb]

Seems to me that if they can focus only on the struggles of the group (stonewall, etc) and leave out the actual details of the lifestyle itself then the course would be acceptable - it would just be another course about another group struggling for rights, like blacks, women, etc and would not infringe on anyone's religious or moral beliefs. I haven't seen any actual course curriculum so i can't comment any further.

As a parent i don't necessarily want to shield my kids from what the world is about or the kinds of people that they will run into as they go out into it. Knowing about gays (or blacks or any other repressed group) doesn't automatically translate into my kids adopting a lifestyle; it just makes them more informed.

[Cannonball996]

Just like the plauge and witches burned at the stake.

like I said, the life style aspect of it should not be taught, but when it comes to the factual history such as court cases, legislative bills and laws, and how the gays spread HIV...I think those deserve mention in some chapter of some history book.

[racrguy]

like I said, the life style aspect of it should not be taught, but when it comes to the factual history such as court cases, legislative bills and laws, and how the gays spread HIV...I think those deserve mention in some chapter of some history book.

Only gays spread HIV? Someone forgot to tell the Africans that....