The Republicans are playing a cynical political game with hugely high economic stakes

[Forever_frost]

I hope, for your sake, that that's a rhetorical question.

Edit: And yeah, those "estimates" were made using CBO numbers and BLS, not numbers some dude just made up in his basement.

Edit 2: You know what, coming from the guy who said that 46% of people don't pay any taxes, you're probably asking a serious question. And to imply it has anything to do with Pelosi being Speaker instead of the economic collapse the country faced is absolutely hilarious.

I'm not saying it was caused by Pelosi. I'm saying when Dems took over, their policies started the collapse.

[Durantula]

You didn't dispute the 47%. The number came from the irs

We've already gone over this. For starters, your base statement is absolutely false because it implies that 47% of the country doesn't pay a dime in taxes. That's obviously not true. Federal income taxes aren't the only taxes people pay. CBO data suggests only about 10% pay absolutely zero federal income taxes. Your silly statistic also fails to mention that about three-quarters of all American households pay more in payroll taxes, which go toward Medicare and Social Security, than in income taxes. The picture starts to change when you look not just at income taxes but at all taxes. This average household would have paid 0.8 percent of its income in corporate taxes (through the stocks it owned), 0.9 percent in gas and other federal excise taxes, and 9.5 percent in payroll taxes. Add these up, and the family’s total federal tax rate was 14.2 percent.

Sorry, but you can't spew deceptive statistics at me and expect me not to fact-check them.

[Durantula]

I'm not saying it was caused by Pelosi. I'm saying when Dems took over, their policies started the collapse.

Oh good grief you can't really be this stupid.

Please, name the policies that led to massive unemployment. And since Pelosi and Democrats are completely at fault here, you can't cite anything related to the economic collapse (you know, the one that occurred under a Bush administration that waited until the last fucking second to do anything about it).

[Forever_frost]

They don't pay federal taxes. So what you're saying idiot is that anyone who pays sales or state taxes are fine. We don't have to pay federal taxes, right? Afterall, it's all the same right?

Yes Durantula, let's look at some democrat policies. Like Frank saying FAnny and Freddie was fine and didn't need looking after, or the "Everyone deserves a house" program under Clinton.

[Durantula]

They don't pay federal taxes. So what you're saying idiot is that anyone who pays sales or state taxes are fine. We don't have to pay federal taxes, right? Afterall, it's all the same right?

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. There are more federal taxes than just the federal income tax. The federal income tax is the ONLY federal tax where up to 47% don't have to pay due to tax credits.

You need to check your sources, broski. You're WAY off-base here.

Yes Durantula, let's look at some democrat policies. Like Frank saying FAnny and Freddie was fine and didn't need looking after, or the "Everyone deserves a house" program under Clinton.

Pelosi was speaker in the '90s and early '00s?? My history must be off...

[Forever_frost]

Oh good grief you can't really be this stupid.

Please, name the policies that led to massive unemployment. And since Pelosi and Democrats are completely at fault here, you can't cite anything related to the economic collapse (you know, the one that occurred under a Bush administration that waited until the last fucking second to do anything about it).

Tell me, what constitutional powers would you have liked Bush to use to stop the recession? I'll wait. There's 18 of them.

[Forever_frost]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. There are more federal taxes than just the federal income tax. The federal income tax is the ONLY federal tax where up to 47% don't have to pay due to tax credits.

You need to check your sources, broski. You're WAY off-base here.

So you admit that 47% of americans pay nothing in federal income taxes. Thank you for proving me right. And out of that, most get money back so that's a net loss. You want to balance the budget? Go after them and have them contribute something.

[Durantula]

So you admit that 47% of americans pay nothing in federal income taxes. Thank you for proving me right. And out of that, most get money back so that's a net loss. You want to balance the budget? Go after them and have them contribute something.

Go back and read your posts. You said they don't pay any federal taxes. Not once did you mention it's only the federal income tax they don't pay. Had you bothered reading the links I posted you would understand they DO pay taxes...but expecting you to read something that doesn't agree with your principles is unreasonable. So no, you're wrong. You're also a delusional jackass.

It's hilarious that you want to go after people making ~$50k/yr but raising taxes on the extremely wealthy, who only pay about 17% anyway due to a shitty tax code, is taboo. You're out of your kool-aid drinking mind.

[stevo]

"CBPP analysis" and "author's calculations", lol.

Hold on while I make some graphs in paint-shop real quick....

Stevo

[Durantula]

Tell me, what constitutional powers would you have liked Bush to use to stop the recession? I'll wait. There's 18 of them.

How about you stop dodging the question and tell me exactly which policies Pelosi and the Democrats passed that caused widepsread unemployment?

[Forever_frost]

Go back and read your posts. You said they don't pay any federal taxes. Not once did you mention it's only the federal income tax they don't pay. Had you bothered reading the links I posted you would understand they DO pay taxes...but expecting you to read something that doesn't agree with your principles is unreasonable. So no, you're wrong. You're also a delusional jackass.

It's hilarious that you want to go after people making ~$50k/yr but raising taxes on the extremely wealthy, who only pay about 17% anyway due to a shitty tax code, is taboo. You're out of your kool-aid drinking mind.

Frank saying FAnny and Freddie was fine and didn't need looking after, or the "Everyone deserves a house" program under Clinton


And so what if they pay 17%? According to you, they pay other taxes as well so it's fine. Go after those who pay no federal income tax before increasing taxes on anyone. Afterall, paying taxes is patriotic and we all have to have skin in the game, right?

[Durantula]

Frank saying FAnny and Freddie was fine and didn't need looking after, or the "Everyone deserves a house" program under Clinton

And so what if they pay 17%? According to you, they pay other taxes as well so it's fine. Go after those who pay no federal income tax before increasing taxes on anyone. Afterall, paying taxes is patriotic and we all have to have skin in the game, right?

LOL. You are pants-on-head retarded, friend. I can't handle you anymore.

[Forever_frost]

How about you stop dodging the question and tell me exactly which policies Pelosi and the Democrats passed that caused widepsread unemployment?

They caused the housing bubble, failed to pass a budget which allowed the government to increase spending as they felt like it, Obama blew through 1.2 trillion in 3 months of taking office not to mention the rest of his spending which destabilized the country, then went through quantative easing dumping more money into our economy that was backed by nothing, lowering the value of the dollar.

Then there was his unconstitutional war in Libya which is costing a fortune, his illegal bypassing of bankruptcy laws in GM and Chrysler which again, destabilized the market, then cash for clunkers which effected parts, wrecking yards, used car sales....want me to keep going or are you ready to run and hide again?

[Forever_frost]

LOL. You are pants-on-head retarded, friend. I can't handle you anymore.

Of course you can't because even brain damaged as I am, you can't out debate me on why some should pay more when some pay zero.

[slow99]

Good fucking Jesus...