Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

[Lason]

Correction... they were FORCED to pay into it, which makes the whole situation even more atrocious. I fully agree with you. Start with all of Congress' and the Administration's forms of compensation, then move to the younger beneficiaries of SS, then to unemployment and welfare. Leave the VA, disability and SS for elderly alnone.

Obama should pick on the people who can fend for themselves first.

You are correct, and I updated my post.

[Broncojohnny]

So by your logic, if Fidelity takes off with your 401K when you decide to retire then owell, you should have taken care of it when you were young? They were forced to pay into SS with the understanding that their money would be there waiting on them when they retired.

We need to get rid of SS but we do not need to start with the people already collecting!

If Fidelity could "take off" with my 401k then they would never manage it.

I can appreciate the view that they "paid into it" their whole life. But the facts are that they did not pay into anything. The money they paid was spent by the people they elected. And they did nothing about it. Just like the money I pay in today is being spent. So, exactly who is to blame here? We can start with FDR. Then we can blame the government in general. Then we can blame the old people who did nothing to change the system forty years ago when politicians started raiding social security's surplus funding. We can also blame them right now, they have the most powerful lobby in Washington, the AARP, yet they won't do anything. Am I blame for their situation? No, I am not. Yet somehow I am the guy who is supposed to pay for it all because the government made a promise. Somehow it is ok to rob me using a ballot box instead of a gun. It is more acceptable to do it that way. How the hell does that make any sense to anyone with a brain?

Fact is, Paul Ryan came up with a plan that would change social security for anyone under the age of 40. It wouldn't affect anyone currently collecting benefits. It wouldn't change anything for anyone who would collect in the next 18 years. But he got laughed at and ignored. In fact, the Democrats used it as another chance to scare old people. Since no one wants to change anything and I'm expected to pay for it, I say fuck the old people. I'm getting real tired of caring.

[Grape]

since i've been old enough to pay taxes, i've seen it as nothing more than a cost of doing business. Never did i expect to get anything back. How can SS payed on income levels from 30-40 years ago be expected to create enough of "today's value" of money to even be worth while? Fuck everybody and their 401k's, you aren't allowed to bitch when you loose your kid's college money gambling in vegas......401k's are gambling your money in the market the exact same way. on a side note........bunch of motherfuckers in here that don't work it sounds like, if you have no arms and legs from serving this country that's perfectly understandable and i have no problem with my money taking care of Vets in need. But able bodied vets can fend for themselves.

[Lason]

If Fidelity could "take off" with my 401k then they would never manage it.

I can appreciate the view that they "paid into it" their whole life. But the facts are that they did not pay into anything. The money they paid was spent by the people they elected. And they did nothing about it. Just like the money I pay in today is being spent. So, exactly who is to blame here? We can start with FDR. Then we can blame the government in general. Then we can blame the old people who did nothing to change the system forty years ago when politicians started raiding social security's surplus funding. We can also blame them right now, they have the most powerful lobby in Washington, the AARP, yet they won't do anything. Am I blame for their situation? No, I am not. Yet somehow I am the guy who is supposed to pay for it all because the government made a promise. Somehow it is ok to rob me using a ballot box instead of a gun. It is more acceptable to do it that way. How the hell does that make any sense to anyone with a brain?
Fact is, Paul Ryan came up with a plan that would change social security for anyone under the age of 40. It wouldn't affect anyone currently collecting benefits. It wouldn't change anything for anyone who would collect in the next 18 years. But he got laughed at and ignored. In fact, the Democrats used it as another chance to scare old people. Since no one wants to change anything and I'm expected to pay for it, I say fuck the old people. I'm getting real tired of caring.

OK you had me till this point. How can you possibly pass the entire blame on them? Can you not vote and email you legislaters to make change in the the system like you expect the old people to do years ago? How is the blame completely on them? Because they cant work anymore like use younger generation can? Thats some seriously cold hearted shit there.

This is that far right wing mentality that people from the far left use time and time to scare everyone.....

"Who cares what plans you made your whole life to plan retirement. If it hurts me then we are going to take it from you because honestly, I dont care about you."

[GhostTX]

"Who cares what plans you made your whole life to plan retirement. If it hurts me then we are going to take it from you because honestly, I dont care about you."

Even FDR didn't intend for SS to be the sole form of retirement income, just a supplement. Any body that ever relied on SS to be their only means of retirement income deserves to be put in government housing and eat the hockey puck meat substitutes.

[Broncojohnny]

OK you had me till this point. How can you possibly pass the entire blame on them? Can you not vote and email you legislaters to make change in the the system like you expect the old people to do years ago? How is the blame completely on them? Because they cant work anymore like use younger generation can? Thats some seriously cold hearted shit there.

This is that far right wing mentality that people from the far left use time and time to scare everyone.....

"Who cares what plans you made your whole life to plan retirement. If it hurts me then we are going to take it from you because honestly, I dont care about you."

You are correct, when it comes to politics and "social" causes where the government takes money from me forcefully, I don't care. I don't give a god damn about anyone but myself and my family. Why do people view the government stealing money by force to be on the same level as charity? If I want to be charitable, that should be my choice. There is nothing noble about taking money from someone in a supposedly free society, no matter the cause.

I can email and write people in Washington, sure. Do I? Hell no. I'm not stupid enough to believe I will ever get a dime from Social Security, I wrote that shit off as a loss a long time ago. I have said it a hundred times, I would gladly withdraw from the program today and they can keep whatever I have paid in, that would be a fantastic deal for me.

Should the people who depend on social security today have been writing their congressman forty years ago? It sounds like they should have been.

[Broncojohnny]

Even FDR didn't intend for SS to be the sole form of retirement income, just a supplement. Any body that ever relied on SS to be their only means of retirement income deserves to be put in government housing and eat the hockey puck meat substitutes.

This is not really how I think. Do they deserve to be in that situation? No. Is it my problem they failed to plan? No.

I just can't get over the fact that I am the guy who is the farthest away from this problem yet I am the one who is supposed to feel guilty and then gladly pay for it all.

[Lason]

Even FDR didn't intend for SS to be the sole form of retirement income, just a supplement. Any body that ever relied on SS to be their only means of retirement income deserves to be put in government housing and eat the hockey puck meat substitutes.

No one ever said sole but its still "their money" that they paid in.

You are correct, when it comes to politics and "social" causes where the government takes money from me forcefully, I don't care. I don't give a god damn about anyone but myself and my family. Why do people view the government stealing money by force to be on the same level as charity? If I want to be charitable, that should be my choice. There is nothing noble about taking money from someone in a supposedly free society, no matter the cause.

I agree with you there. I dont believe in being forced to do anything. But these people paid in and were told they would be seeing this money when they retired. Would it be ok if you employer came out and pulled the rug out from under you right after you started collecting any kind of pension?

Thats where I have my problem, telling people something their whole lives only to change it after they have no control of the situation.

I can email and write people in Washington, sure. Do I? Hell no. I'm not stupid enough to believe I will ever get a dime from Social Security, I wrote that shit off as a loss a long time ago. I have said it a hundred times, I would gladly withdraw from the program today and they can keep whatever I have paid in, that would be a fantastic deal for me.

Should the people who depend on social security today have been writing their congressman forty years ago? It sounds like they should have been.

Al, even you see this as a contradiction. You wont write in and try to get it changed but they should have?? You said yourself it doesnt work so how could they have done it?

[Denny]

This is not really how I think. Do they deserve to be in that situation? No. Is it my problem they failed to plan? No.

I just can't get over the fact that I am the guy who is the farthest away from this problem yet I am the one who is supposed to feel guilty and then gladly pay for it all.

What sucks is that if they stop paying out SS, they'd still demand it deducted from payrolls... "just in case they ever bring it back." LOL

[ceyko]

What sucks is that if they stop paying out SS, they'd still demand it deducted from payrolls... "just in case they ever bring it back." LOL

Depressing but true

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[Broncojohnny]

I agree with you there. I dont believe in being forced to do anything. But these people paid in and were told they would be seeing this money when they retired. Would it be ok if you employer came out and pulled the rug out from under you right after you started collecting any kind of pension?

Thats where I have my problem, telling people something their whole lives only to change it after they have no control of the situation.

What they were told is irrelevant. Employers go broke and pension plans dry up all the time. That is life. Part of my point is that it wouldn't "be ok" it would just be part of life. That is, shit happens. But when a private pension dries up, you can't legislate more money into it. Unless the government takes it over but that is another discussion.

Al, even you see this as a contradiction. You wont write in and try to get it changed but they should have?? You said yourself it doesnt work so how could they have done it?

I'm not depending on it as my sole source of retirement. If I was then the burden would be on me to make change. Hell, I don't care to change it because I hope the program goes bankrupt in the next ten seconds. The sooner it does, the sooner we will have a real change to the system where the government can't steal the surplus from the fund.

[Broncojohnny]

What sucks is that if they stop paying out SS, they'd still demand it deducted from payrolls... "just in case they ever bring it back." LOL

Of course, it is spent just like every other dollar you give these idiots.

[chevyhater01]

I'm not stupid enough to believe I will ever get a dime from Social Security, I wrote that shit off as a loss a long time ago. I have said it a hundred times, I would gladly withdraw from the program today and they can keep whatever I have paid in, that would be a fantastic deal for me.

I wish a opt out of SS was possible if I could redirect the money pulled my check for SS into my own personal retirement plan I'd be set by the time I retire.

[Broncojohnny]

I wish a opt out of SS was possible if I could redirect the money pulled my check for SS into my own personal retirement plan I'd be set by the time I retire.

Fuck yes you would. Too bad we don't live in Galveston where they can opt out.

[Denny]

You can also opt out in DC, Guam and Puerto Rico.