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  • Ron Paul thinks Bankruptcy is the answer..

    IMO he just shot a big hole in his candidacy..




    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- How should the United States deal with its growing debt problem? Ron Paul thinks declaring "bankruptcy" might be a good idea.

    The Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate was discussing Greece's fiscal trouble with Iowa radio host Jan Mickelson on Monday when he was asked, "If bankruptcy is the cure for Greece, is it also the cure for the United States?"

    "Absolutely," Paul replied.

    Of course, sovereign nations can't declare bankruptcy the same way a corporation might. Instead, the government would be unable to fulfill its obligations, and would stop making payments on its debt, resulting in a default.

    Greece is currently embroiled in a debate over how to pare back its social programs and government spending to secure another bailout for paying its debts.

    Paul said social programs -- medical care and other benefits -- have pushed Greece to the edge, and the United States should take note.

    "The big message there is the fact that the people who are seeing they are losing their benefits and their free medical care and all, are rioting in the streets," Paul said. "That is the problem, and we are not immune from that."
    How Washington screwed up the budget

    Paul -- known in Washington for his renegade economic ideas -- wants to convert the U.S. monetary system to one based on the gold standard, and held a hearing last week to grill federal officials about his bill to audit and inventory the nation's gold reserves.

    The Texan is no fan of the Federal Reserve either, and suggested Monday the United States should eliminate the Fed as a way to reduce the deficit.

    "We owe, like, $1.6 trillion because the Federal Reserve bought that debt, so we have to work hard to pay the interest to the Federal Reserve," Paul said. "We don't, I mean, they're nobody; why do we have to pay them off?

    However, the Fed returns the interest earned on those holdings to the federal government. Last year, the Fed sent $79 billion to the Treasury.

    On the debt ceiling, Paul said the most likely scenario is that lawmakers pass a series of short-term increases of the nation's borrowing limit. And he said that if the U.S. were to wipe out the debt owed the Fed, investors would gain confidence.

    "They'll say 'Hey, they've just reduced the deficit by over a trillion dollars, now they can handle it. They can go back to meeting their other obligations,' " Paul said. "It might give some reassurance to the market."

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    Ron Paul is a loon. He just blurts out whatever senile idea pops into his head.

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    • #3
      If you owe more than you can ever possibly repay and you have an out why not take it? Higher taxes, more social programs and making the dollar more and more worthless every day doesn't seem to be working.

      Ron Paul has some great ideas and realize that most of them will never happen, even if he is elected. However more of the same isn't the answer. You need someone in power on the extreme conservative side to offset the years of extreme liberalism that's been running the country. You can't fight off a rabid pitbull with cropped ears by talking to it nicely, you need to overwhelm it with force.

      Of the current crop of announced candidates I like Michele Bachmann. She's had some pretty whacko comments over the years but her core principles are sound. She is a real conservative in every way.

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      • #4
        While I like a lot of what thean says. He didn't have a chance to begin with.

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        • #5
          If he really thinks that, he is an idiot.
          Originally posted by racrguy
          What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
          Originally posted by racrguy
          Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
            While I like a lot of what thean says. He didn't have a chance to begin with.
            exactly. He has great ideas. Most impossible to implement.

            Why ?

            Because of the generations of government titty suckers liberals have pandered to for decades.
            Until they go away, I'm convinced any reform is absolutely hopeless. Democrats and Libs would maintain just enough power to water down anything even remote 'reform' worthy for their constituates.

            the irony is that it's just self defeating any way . Handing out money for social programs, especially like the ones we have, just makes everyone poor enough to stave off a real recovery and bullish economy enjoyed in the past.
            Fucking liberals and their self entitlements. I hate em.

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            • #7
              Seems out of character for him, when he preaches financial responsiblity. Bankruptcy is the easy way out, not the responsible way out.

              I like a lot of what he has to say, but I have questions over why he made this statement. Perhaps he made the comment because even in the off chance he does get elected, he knows damn well the career politicians in Congress will continue to spend like drunken sailors.
              Originally posted by BradM
              But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
              Originally posted by Leah
              In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BP View Post
                If you owe more than you can ever possibly repay and you have an out why not take it? Higher taxes, more social programs and making the dollar more and more worthless every day doesn't seem to be working.
                We haven't had higher taxes since the Clinton administration. The Bush taxcuts are still in place. I don't think we can make the argument that we've tried higher taxes to work our way out of it...

                The problem with bankruptcy is that it will fuck over our entire country for a very long time. I don't think RP has fully looked into the ramifications.

                The solution, at least for now, is to get control of this run away spending. If the federal government shows some real fiscal responsibility (cut spending to the bone in all areas, cut tax loopholes, etc) and we are still short then I would "consider" a tax increase as a possible need. But those other things MUST be done first.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                  We haven't had higher taxes since the Clinton administration. The Bush taxcuts are still in place. I don't think we can make the argument that we've tried higher taxes to work our way out of it...

                  The problem with bankruptcy is that it will fuck over our entire country for a very long time. I don't think RP has fully looked into the ramifications.

                  The solution, at least for now, is to get control of this run away spending. If the federal government shows some real fiscal responsibility (cut spending to the bone in all areas, cut tax loopholes, etc) and we are still short then I would "consider" a tax increase as a possible need. But those other things MUST be done first.


                  Under no circumstances is higher taxes the answer. If they raise tax rates, I'm announcing my intent to commit tax fraud. Period. Go ahead and come after me. Fuck them. They get enough as it is. What kind of logic is that? When you're in debt up to your eyeballs, a better paying job isn't the logical answer. The logical answer is to quit spending like a retard. If it came down to the two options, I'd support bankruptcy over a tax hike.

                  And yes, I realize you say cut spending first, close loopholes, etc. Even still, a rate hike just sounds completely absurd to me.
                  Originally posted by BradM
                  But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                  Originally posted by Leah
                  In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                    We haven't had higher taxes since the Clinton administration. The Bush taxcuts are still in place. I don't think we can make the argument that we've tried higher taxes to work our way out of it...
                    We, no. People making $250k+ a year though definitely have had tax increases though and anyone that inherited any money or an estate had massive tax increases over what would have happened prior to Obama. Percentage wise yeah no increases but deductions have all changed. Instead of "raising taxes" they've lowered deductions, which in effect make us all have a higher taxable income. There is plenty more coming.

                    Any time the government gets more of my money it's a tax increase, no matter how they want to explain it.

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                    • #11
                      As Reagan said "The problem isn't that we aren't taxed enough, the problem is the government spends too much."
                      I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                        We haven't had higher taxes since the Clinton administration. The Bush taxcuts are still in place. I don't think we can make the argument that we've tried higher taxes to work our way out of it...

                        The problem with bankruptcy is that it will fuck over our entire country for a very long time. I don't think RP has fully looked into the ramifications.

                        The solution, at least for now, is to get control of this run away spending. If the federal government shows some real fiscal responsibility (cut spending to the bone in all areas, cut tax loopholes, etc) and we are still short then I would "consider" a tax increase as a possible need. But those other things MUST be done first.
                        I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would think handing them one more cent is sensible. It is only a band aid for a bigger problem.
                        Originally posted by racrguy
                        What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                        Originally posted by racrguy
                        Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                        • #13
                          I'm not going to attempt to defend Ron Paul’s character or qualifications in great detail right this moment because that is a usually a waste of time to try and sway opinions. In short his character is impeccable compared to most at his post and in the past and his intentions as a potential president are as pure and genuine as they come. To say that he is a “loon” when compared to his peers would insinuate that the vast majority of others in Washington and in the media are not “loons”. Fact is folks like Ron Paul did see this situation coming and may actually have a small idea on what steps to take. Myself, like many others, do not believe the answer is simply more, more, more of the same...

                          Don’t expect the typical endless double talk we are all used to hearing with everyone else running for office. With Ron Paul you are going to actually get what you hear him say. Based on the past I’m compelled to believe as shitty as it may sound what is proposed could be the best solution in the long term for the people of this country.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
                            Ron Paul is a loon. He just blurts out whatever senile idea pops into his head.
                            I've been saying this for years about him. He's a damn nut. Does he have some good idea's I agree with? Yes, but he says things that make him come across as a bonafide nut job.

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                            • #15
                              so, raise taxes 3% on the wealthy smart fuckers that know the tax code and have teams of bastards cheating it. Net sum of ZERO increase in revenue. Let's see some hard fucking numbers about what it will take. I bet it will blow your mind.

                              and quite honestly, 3% would be like firing a .22 at a freight train.

                              Fuck Greece...fuck china fuck all the other 3rd world nations with their hands out. put a 20% tariff on ALL imports except oil and start bringing jobs and US cash back to our shores. Quit fedex'ing our cash overseas so we have to print more and lower it's value. Fuck the rest of the world, it's time to take care of our own and build up our military...we are going to need it soon.

                              Fucking crazy how Red Dawn was made so long ago, but could actually happen with the mexican drug cartels and the fucking chinese along with Taliban and AL querda.

                              <---putting a nice soft lining in my tin foil hat while I clean my guns!

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