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  • The return of E-verify

    I know that Reason magazine is a liberal rag, but even liberals are worth listening to even if it is just to be able to rebuke their arguments.

    State governments embrace a dangerous employment verification database.



    When the Florida legislature failed to pass a bill last month requiring businesses to electronically verify the immigration status of job applicants and employees, one immigration opponent said that lawmakers were endorsing "economic slavery."

    "We used to own them, now we just rent them," George Fuller told Kenric Ward of the conservative Sunshine News, claiming he’d heard the line from a Florida grower.

    Ward ran with the metaphor, writing that “while businesses ‘rent’ undocumented workers for ‘slave’ wages, Floridians foot the bill for educating, medicating and incarcerating illegal aliens.”

    If lawmakers in Tallahassee had succeeded in mandating that businesses use E-Verify, a federal database that confirms employment eligibility, Florida growers would likely be facing a very different problem. In Georgia, where lawmakers passed an immigration bill that requires employers to use just such a system, undocumented workers have stopped working. As a result, Georgia growers “have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons, and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields” according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

    All told, Georgia now has lost nearly 11,000 agricultural jobs that pay between $8 and $11 per hour. Those jobs once belonged to undocumented workers—or “slaves,” as Fuller and Kenric would call them. Now they belong to no one.

    Despite Georgia’s looming agricultural catastrophe, neighboring states are pushing ahead with their own legislation mandating the use of E-Verify. The South Carolina legislature has sent an Arizona-style immigration bill to Gov. Nikki Haley for approval, and Louisiana lawmakers have sent one bill specifically dealing with government contractors to Gov. Bobby Jindal. Earlier this month, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a bill that requires all businesses in his state, public and private, to use E-Verify effective April 1, 2012. Failure to comply will result in loss of state licensing and certification, and payroll tax penalties.

    Three years ago, E-Verify appeared to be on its last legs. By 2008, the system had existed as a voluntary program for over a decade, but not a single state had mandated it. Former Reason Senior Editor Kerry Howley reported that “the Social Security Administration estimates 17.8 million of its records contain discrepancies that could lead to delays and false negatives,” and that the rosy failure rate cited by E-Verify advocates—a measly 4 percent—still meant that the system would make 6 million documented workers nationwide ineligible for employment.

    But around that same time, Arizona decided to make the system mandatory, which prompted Howley to visit the state and speak to workers:

    In Phoenix, I was hearing stories of legal Latino workers who were fired as soon as e-verify registered an initial problem. One study has found that a third of employers who use e-verify illegally "pre-screen" employees, meaning that they simply won't hire anyone who isn't immediately approved. Not everyone walking away is undocumented. They're just workers with suspicious last names who happen not to be high-powered immigration lawyers working on the Hill.

    But even if the E-Verify system was “99.5 percent” error-free, as Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) claimed in a recent Los Angeles Times op-ed, there’s still the problem of who would do all those dirty deeds for dirt cheap. As Georgia has learned, people who can do so legally don’t want to pick fruit for $11 an hour.

    The threat of unfilled low-wage jobs led the Chamber of Commerce to file suit against Arizona’s E-Verify program. The Chamber dubbed the Legal Arizona Workers Act a “business death penalty,” yet the Supreme Court ruled in Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting that Arizona’s law was permissible.

    Business groups in Florida succeeded in blocking E-Verify legislation, citing the impact on the economy. In Washington state, the same concerns have Republican Rep. Doc Hastings on the fence about supporting a national E-Verify mandate without “special consideration for the agricultural industry.”

    But even though agribusiness would be especially hurt by a nationwide mandatory E-Verify program, the biggest losers would be hard-working undocumented workers.

    As Robert Gittelson, co-founder of Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, wrote in The Hill this week, “Let us not forget for even a minute the horrific human toll on the undocumented families...Where is the compassion for these people? Most of them have been here living, working, and contributing to society for over a decade. This mandatory bill, without an accompanying legalization program, would decimate these good families.”

    It has already decimated Georgia’s melon crop.

    Mike Riggs is an associate editor at Reason magazine.

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    In Georgia, where lawmakers passed an immigration bill that requires employers to use just such a system, undocumented workers have stopped working. As a result, Georgia growers “have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons, and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields” according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

    All told, Georgia now has lost nearly 11,000 agricultural jobs that pay between $8 and $11 per hour. Those jobs once belonged to undocumented workers—or “slaves,” as Fuller and Kenric would call them. Now they belong to no one.
    Here is a thought, hire Americans. If you don't want to employ Americans in your fields, go fucking broke and die in poverty.

    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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    • #3
      You mean the growers might have to pay $15 an hour instead of $11? And I might have to pay $2.50 for a tub of strawberries instead of $2.00. Well that is just a real shame.

      I'd rather pay more and have the money not be sent to Mexico. If the farmers can't get their shit together then they should go out of business.
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        But even if the E-Verify system was “99.5 percent” error-free, as Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) claimed in a recent Los Angeles Times op-ed, there’s still the problem of who would do all those dirty deeds for dirt cheap. As Georgia has learned, people who can do so legally don’t want to pick fruit for $11 an hour.

        How about that, where are all those "angry Americans" that are always complaining about Illegal Immigrants taking away all of our jobs? Shouldn't they be rushing to fill in those jobs?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 564826 View Post
          But even if the E-Verify system was “99.5 percent” error-free, as Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) claimed in a recent Los Angeles Times op-ed, there’s still the problem of who would do all those dirty deeds for dirt cheap. As Georgia has learned, people who can do so legally don’t want to pick fruit for $11 an hour.

          How about that, where are all those "angry Americans" that are always complaining about Illegal Immigrants taking away all of our jobs? Shouldn't they be rushing to fill in those jobs?
          Start taking away long term unemployment, WIC, and the long list of other goodies folks get to pay their cable bills instead of food\housing, I bet you'll see lots of "Americans" looking for low wage jobs..... If you make more sitting on your ass, of course you aren't going to work....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gargamel View Post
            Start taking away long term unemployment, WIC, and the long list of other goodies folks get to pay their cable bills instead of food\housing, I bet you'll see lots of "Americans" looking for low wage jobs..... If you make more sitting on your ass, of course you aren't going to work....
            +1

            No one is going to pick fruit for any wage if the alternative is to sit on your ass and have all life's necessities (and then some) handed to you.
            - Darrell

            1993 LX - Reef Blue R331ci
            1993 Cobra #199 - SOLD

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            • #7
              Retinal scan is getting cheaper and cheaper. They need to incorporate that into e-verify and then there would be no cheating the system.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 564826 View Post
                But even if the E-Verify system was “99.5 percent” error-free, as Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) claimed in a recent Los Angeles Times op-ed, there’s still the problem of who would do all those dirty deeds for dirt cheap. As Georgia has learned, people who can do so legally don’t want to pick fruit for $11 an hour.

                How about that, where are all those "angry Americans" that are always complaining about Illegal Immigrants taking away all of our jobs? Shouldn't they be rushing to fill in those jobs?
                Once the wages get high enough they will be there.
                Originally posted by racrguy
                What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                Originally posted by racrguy
                Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by red95gts View Post
                  +1

                  No one is going to pick fruit for any wage if the alternative is to sit on your ass and have all life's necessities (and then some) handed to you.
                  Luxuries... Government subsidized cell phones...


                  It is entirely to easy to be a lazy fuck.
                  Last edited by noshine4mine; 06-24-2011, 06:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by red95gts View Post
                    +1

                    No one is going to pick fruit for any wage if the alternative is to sit on your ass and have all life's necessities (and then some) handed to you.
                    Exactly. If people get hungry enough then they WILL go and do that kind of work. Instead they wait around for a nice fat check from the government where they don't have to do shit. Cut off the government money and see what happens then - i predict that they will have more than enough veggie pickers.

                    And I agree with Al - the farmers may damn well have to pay a bit more to have americans do the work.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StanleyTweedle View Post
                      Retinal scan is getting cheaper and cheaper. They need to incorporate that into e-verify and then there would be no cheating the system.
                      I've got it figured out. You're that dude that takes everything too far. Carry on.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #12
                        Hell, 90% of the people who work for me don't even make $11 an hour.

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                        • #13
                          what do I need to do to be able to get a check from the government? It took me almost a year to get a drivers license, you guys make it sound like getting a government check is easy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cannonball996 View Post
                            what do I need to do to be able to get a check from the government? It took me almost a year to get a drivers license, you guys make it sound like getting a government check is easy.
                            Matthew Lesko!!!

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                            • #15
                              I keep wondering who is paying all these illegals more than minimum wage. Or hell, you could pay them less. What are they going to do? Complain? Even at $5 an hour, its still 500x more than they made in ol mexico.

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