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    The dangers of bone-headed beliefs
    June 6, 2011


    Surely it's time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.

    Not necessarily on the forehead; I'm a reasonable man. Just something along their arm or across their chest so their grandchildren could say, ''Really? You were one of the ones who tried to stop the world doing something? And why exactly was that, granddad?''

    On second thoughts, maybe the tattooing along the arm is a bit Nazi-creepy. So how about they are forced to buy property on low-lying islands, the sort of property that will become worthless with a few more centimetres of ocean rise, so they are bankrupted by their own bloody-mindedness? Or what about their signed agreement to stand, in the year 2040, lashed to a pole at a certain point in the shallows off Manly? If they are right and the world is cooling - ''climate change stopped in the year 1998'' is one of their more boneheaded beliefs - their mouths will be above water. If not …
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    OK, maybe the desire to see the painful, thrashing death of one's opponents is not ideal. But, my God, these people are frustrating. You just know that in 20 years' time, when the costs of our inaction are clear, the climate deniers will become climate-denial-deniers. ''Who me? Oh, no, I always believed in it. Yes, it's hard to understand why people back then were so daft. It's so much more costly to stop it now.''

    That's why the tattoo has its appeal.

    Not that the other side isn't frustrating. There's a type of green zealot who appears to relish climate change. Every rise in sea levels is noted excitedly. Every cyclone is applauded and claimed as a noisy, deadly witness for their side.

    Suddenly, it's as if they have the planet's assistance in their lifelong campaign to bully everyone else into accepting their view of the perfect world. One without any human beings. Except for them. Living in a cave. Wearing an unwashed T-shirt that not only says ''Support wildlife'' but actually does.

    Is it possible to get the politics out of the climate-change debate? The first step might be to acknowledge the way ideology informs attitudes to climate change on both sides.

    People on the left instinctively believe in communal action, the role of government and the efficacy of international agencies such as the UN. They were always going to believe in climate change; it's the sort of problem that can best be solved using the tools they most enjoy using.

    The right tended to be sceptical about climate change from the start and for exactly the same reasons. It's the sort of problem that requires global, communal action, with governments setting rules. It is a problem that requires tools they instinctively dislike using.

    These initial responses to global warming, on both sides, were understandable. But there's a point in any debate where what you want to believe comes up against what you know to be true; where ideology yields to reality.

    Facts that don't fit one's world view can be difficult to see. Consider the way the left spent decades ignoring the horrors of Soviet communism, horrors that were obvious to anyone who cared to look from at least the early 1930s. The facts didn't fit in with the way they wanted to see the world, so they spent decades in denial, looking the other way.

    For most of the left, that blindness ended, dramatically, with the invasion of Hungary in 1956: it became impossible not to acknowledge the brutal realities of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    Now it's the right's turn to face up to a similar uncomfortable, ideology-challenging moment. Hopefully, they'll do it a bit quicker than was managed by the left.

    Aside from the frothing fringe of the environmental movement, no one is secretly pleased about global warming. We'd all rather it just went away. Who needs to feel guilty about having a long shower, flying to Paris or eating T-bone steak?

    Who needs to be worried about their children and grandchildren and the way we are pushing the burdens of our time on to them?

    As Cate Blanchett put it this week: ''I can't look my children in the face if I'm not trying to do something in my small way and to urge other people.''

    Each generation of people has a job to do; a burden that falls to their time. Sometimes, it's a war or depression. Sometimes, it's the work of building the first railways and roads. Sometimes, it's a plague that wipes out half the population or a fire that destroys a whole city.

    Looked at through this lens, our generation has it easy. Already wealthy and armed with new technology, we need to front up to the challenge of building a low-carbon economy.

    The tool we'll use is a carbon tax that seeks to subtly redirect some of our choices. Cut your power bill by more than the compensation offered and you get to keep the change.

    Is that really so onerous compared with a depression or war?

    Our grandparents didn't fail us, even though the challenges they faced were so much greater. So why are we in the process of failing to live up to their example?

    richard@richardglover.com.au

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...#ixzz1OVVhMayh
    I was so inspired by this article, I decided to write the author:

    I was wondering, do you want to tattoo us with a serial number, or bar codes with that new technology we have since we have it so easy - rfid? I have a feeling you wouldn't be able to convince us (seeing as we received more snow in the last few years in Texas than anyone can remember). Just make us wear patches on our clothing to make it easier to identify us, and then round us up. Maybe it would be easier to put us in large camps to teach us why global warming is man made? Unfortunately you really only have a few choices... After going though the last 50 years of National Geographic I collect, I have 27 issues which cover global warming in the 60's, global cooling in the 70's, and ice age in the early 80's, and now my collection is growing with man made global warming in the late 90's and 00's. Since you're inevitably destined to the annuls of history as a failed theory, you really only have one solution to deal with the deniers.... a final solution..perhaps?

    C.J.
    Dumbass redneck from Texas
    Feel free to give the aussie your best shot.
    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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    Not going to bother, you can't convince him of anything. Let him keep buying his carbon offsets and riding his bike to work. I'm not changing my lifestyle over some media hype backed with junk science.

    Once they figure out a way to stop the oceans and volcanos from emitting greenhouse gasses I'll worry about my miniscule contribution to global warming. In the mean time I'll keep voting for people that aren't buying into it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BP View Post
      Not going to bother, you can't convince him of anything. Let him keep buying his carbon offsets and riding his bike to work. I'm not changing my lifestyle over some media hype backed with junk science.

      Once they figure out a way to stop the oceans and volcanos from emitting greenhouse gasses I'll worry about my miniscule contribution to global warming. In the mean time I'll keep voting for people that aren't buying into it.
      My intention is not to convince him, I enjoy drawing their beliefs and methods into absurdity.
      "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
      "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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      • #4
        He's like every other liberal, communist and socialist. He's smarter than everyone else and thinks the general population is incapable of making decisions on their own.

        I almost jumped in to argument this weekend with someone whose against coal mining due to the lead contamination from burning it. Yeah there are byproducts but what's the alternative? I like my lights working and my air conditioning. It'd be kind of hard to have either without coal. Besides even if we burned all the coal in the world at the same time in open pits and just vented the waste to the atmosphere it wouldn't be close to the impact a major volcanic eruption can have.

        So you can live in a cave and eat berries and do your little part to "save the planet" or live a modern life and realize that humans are a mere spec in the grand scheme of things and our actions couldn't possibly affect anything on a global scale.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BP View Post
          He's like every other liberal, communist and socialist. He's smarter than everyone else and thinks the general population is incapable of making decisions on their own.

          I almost jumped in to argument this weekend with someone whose against coal mining due to the lead contamination from burning it. Yeah there are byproducts but what's the alternative? I like my lights working and my air conditioning. It'd be kind of hard to have either without coal. Besides even if we burned all the coal in the world at the same time in open pits and just vented the waste to the atmosphere it wouldn't be close to the impact a major volcanic eruption can have.

          So you can live in a cave and eat berries and do your little part to "save the planet" or live a modern life and realize that humans are a mere spec in the grand scheme of things and our actions couldn't possibly affect anything on a global scale.
          Did clean coal technology not even get mentioned?
          "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
          "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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          • #6
            The earth is having its period and the pompusness of some to actually believe that we're causing it (or can even make enough of a difference to cause it).

            The rest of them are just using it as an excuse to make some money and move their agendas.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
              Did clean coal technology not even get mentioned?
              No sir, her boobs got in the way.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Denny View Post
                an excuse to make some money and move their agendas
                There is no other objective than these.

                Have you noticed that all the planned solutions for reducing energy consumption involve making current energy sources more expensive? Have you noticed that there are no plans for free, limitless energy? We have a SUN and a MANTLE and WIND that could provide essentially limitless energy for human needs if there was a concerted effort to capture it. However, all the efforts have been to demonize current sources and figure out ways to generate profits from depleting natural resources.
                When the government pays, the government controls.

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                • #9
                  My standard reply to these idiots is that for every one of us there are five Chinamen burning coal as fast as they can dig it up. You can drive all the Prius cars you want and you aren't going to make a god damn bit of difference.
                  Originally posted by racrguy
                  What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                  Originally posted by racrguy
                  Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 46Tbird View Post
                    There is no other objective than these.

                    Have you noticed that all the planned solutions for reducing energy consumption involve making current energy sources more expensive? Have you noticed that there are no plans for free, limitless energy? We have a SUN and a MANTLE and WIND that could provide essentially limitless energy for human needs if there was a concerted effort to capture it. However, all the efforts have been to demonize current sources and figure out ways to generate profits from depleting natural resources.
                    Right. My initial plan is going to cost some coin, but once it's rolling, it'll be free and self-sustaining.
                    Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                    My standard reply to these idiots is that for every one of us there are five Chinamen burning coal as fast as they can dig it up. You can drive all the Prius cars you want and you aren't going to make a god damn bit of difference.
                    And they have no real plans to slow down.

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                    • #11
                      lol at the final solution comment in your letter.
                      How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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                      • #12
                        I think we are in a state of global cooling. All the extra snow is causing the oceans to rise when it melts.

                        Quick... everybody buy this $500 cat delete so that your cars can help reverese global cooling before we all die.
                        www.dfwdirtriders.com

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                        • #13
                          Most of the time, absurd ideas are pretty quickly bashed and everybody goes on no worse for wear. But the human-caused global warming thing only turns into a bigger snowball, gaining momentum as it goes. It's a damned mantra now, a lifestyle. There's not one shred of scientific evidence to support it. You've got the commercial where the teacher murders children who don't fall in line. Now you've got this wannabe Nazi suggesting we be identified with a tattoo. And we (the non-koolaid drinkers) are the crazy ones.

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