Soooooooooo.....no rapture...again.

[Denny]

Theists are those with belief in a god or gods.

Therefore, Atheists are those without a belief in a god or gods.

Now, when gnostic and agnostic are used as adjectives for theist and atheist, they slightly change the definition.

A Gnostic Theist is a theist who claims to know there is a god or gods.
An Agnostic Theist believes there is a god or gods, but doesn't claim to know.
A Gnostic Atheist claims to know there is no god or gods.
An Agnostic Atheist does not believe in a god or gods, but does not claim to know.

Long Story short, theism and atheism are statements of belief. Gnosticism and Agnosticism are statements of knowledge.

I'm sorry. You don't get to just redefine words at your whim.

Ah, this post again...

OK, we'll go from there.

What would you call a person that doesn't believe that God doesn't exist, but is still open to the idea that He can exist?

[Maddhattter]

We exercise faith in many things every day. Maybe not whether or not that God exists, but faith in the things and people around you.

Incorrect.

Your definition of faith is highly skewed. Here's the correct definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith

faith
   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled[feyth] Show IPA
–noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing
2.
belief that is not based on proof
3.
belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

1faith
noun \ˈfāth\
plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Definition of FAITH
1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/e...m_en_us1246069

faith(faith)
Syllabification:

* On
* Off

Pronunciation:/fāTH, /
noun

*
1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something:this restores one's faith in politicians
*
2 strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
*
a system of religious belief:the Christian faith
*
a strongly held belief or theory:the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe

You could use the word faith for believing things, but that is a different kind of faith. So, your either being intentionally misleading, or your attempting to redefine terms.

Again, you don't get to redefine terms at your whim.

[Maddhattter]

Ah, this post again...

OK, we'll go from there.

What would you call a person that doesn't believe that God doesn't exist, but is still open to the idea that He can exist?

An Agnostic Atheist does not believe in a god or gods, but does not claim to know.

Reading comprehension FTW!!

[Denny]

Incorrect.

Again, you don't get to redefine terms at your whim.

You didn't answer shit, just posted a definition in a weak attempt of answering. Just because you respond, doesn't make it a rebuttal. LOL

Do you have faith that a person traveling the opposite way on a two-way road won't swerve into you?

Like your post says: "confidence or trust in a person or thing"

[Denny]

You could use the word faith for believing things, but that is a different kind of faith. So, your either being intentionally misleading, or your attempting to redefine terms.

Ah, edits after a response... LOL

Now we're talking DIFFERENT KINDS OF FAITH!!!

Faith is faith, bro. We all exercise it. We both use it for determining God's existance. It's OK that you deny it. I won't think less of you.

[Maddhattter]

You didn't answer shit, just posted a definition in a weak attempt of answering. Just because you respond, doesn't make it a rebuttal. LOL

Do you have faith that a person traveling the opposite way on a two-way road won't swerve into you?

Like your post says: "confidence or trust in a person or thing"

That's why I added the clarification. Please read it again. Or I could repost the clarification...

The faith in religion requires no proof. Faith in a person, like friends, or a thing, like a car, is built on history. Individuals weigh how often a person has done something before to predict what they will do. So, conflating the two types of faith is either intentionally dishonest, or an attempt to redefine terms.

[Denny]

An Agnostic Atheist does not believe in a god or gods, but does not claim to know.

Reading comprehension FTW!!

I'm sure we can make new definitions if we add even more words to it also. Outstanding tactic! Whatever "helps" your position.

[Maddhattter]

Ah, edits after a response... LOL

Now we're talking DIFFERENT KINDS OF FAITH!!!

Faith is faith, bro. We all exercise it. We both use it for determining God's existance. It's OK that you deny it. I won't think less of you.

You are correct. We are discussing different kinds of faith. If you don't understand how human behavior works, and the blind faith in religion is the same faith you use for people and friends, then your declaration that you don't use that type of thinking is a blatant lie.

[Denny]

That's why I added the clarification. Please read it again. Or I could repost the clarification...

The faith in religion requires no proof. Faith in a person, like friends, or a thing, like a car, is built on history. Individuals weigh how often a person has done something before to predict what they will do. So, conflating the two types of faith is either intentionally dishonest, or an attempt to redefine terms.

My faith in God is built on history as well. The Bible is a historic record and where I learned about God.

See how you're not really doing anything here?

[Maddhattter]

I'm sure we can make new definitions if we add even more words to it also. Outstanding tactic! Whatever "helps" your position.

So, you don't understand how pronouns work? I'll blame the public school system for failing you. That doesn't make me wrong.

[Maddhattter]

My faith in God is built on history as well. The Bible is a historic record and where I learned about God.

See how you're not really doing anything here?

Nope, because you've yet to indicate that the bible is a historic record beyond your faith it is so.

[Denny]

You are correct. We are discussing different kinds of faith. If you don't understand how human behavior works, and the blind faith in religion is the same faith you use for people and friends, then your declaration that you don't use that type of thinking is a blatant lie.

How is it blind faith when the things I witness every day are explained in the Bible? Now, if there was no other claim and I just thought up the idea of God out of nowhere, I can see where you can bring out the "blind faith" card.

[Denny]

Nope, because you've yet to indicate that the bible is a historic record beyond your faith it is so.

Awww, come on, man. Even scientists and historians consider it a historic record. Are you really done already?

[Maddhattter]

How is it blind faith when the things I witness every day are explained in the Bible? Now, if there was no other claim and I just thought up the idea of God out of nowhere, I can see where you can bring out the "blind faith" card.

I do wish you could manage to make a claim of this caliber that isn't so vague it could mean anything. Barring that, I would have point out that every time science and religion/the bible has disagreed, science has always won due to it being demonstrably correct. So, to claim that everything you see is explained by the bible cannot be correct unless you deny science and every other method we can reliably use to understand the world around us.

[Denny]

So, you don't understand how pronouns work? I'll blame the public school system for failing you. That doesn't make me wrong.

Jeez, dude... I'm not wasting any more time on this. I think that anyone else reading this will see just how silly the argument you guys are posting really is. My work is done here. Enjoy your endless rant about... nothing. LOL!!!