Soooooooooo.....no rapture...again.

[jdgregory84]

Negative. I'm showing that it can go either way in the absence of proof and whichever way one goes is based on a belief.

Actually, he's right.

Example: I say "Firebreathing dragons exist, or at existed at one point." You say "Prove it."

I should have to come up with some form of proof for my statement.

Now...

You say "Prove that firebreathing dragons DON'T exist!" I say "I'm not the one saying that they do. You're telling me something exists and that I should just believe it."

Like I've already said, this brings up faith, and that's fine. However, like Maddhatter said, the burden of proof is on the one claiming something "IS" without having viable evidence on hand.

Like I said in the other thread, I don't necessarily have anything against religion in general, and I admit that it's done a lot of good. Organized religion is a different story, but that can be said about most organizations of any kind. However, telling somebody that doesn't believe in heaven to prove that people don't go to heaven is ridiculous. Y'all are the ones saying that something exists...not me or somebody else.

[Denny]

You're STILL missing it. If someone claims God doesn't exist, then that is their BELIEF, whether you want to hear it or not. You can disagree all you want, but it is what it is.

[Denny]

Burden of proof is in any claim.

[jdgregory84]

You're STILL missing it. If someone claims God doesn't exist, then that is their BELIEF, whether you want to hear it or not. You can disagree all you want, but it is what it is.

The belief that god doesn't exist stems from a lack of proof of gods existence and to a lesser extent, education.

[jdgregory84]

BTW, I don't claim that God doesn't exist. I just don't care either way. It is what it is.

[Denny]

The belief that god doesn't exist stems from a lack of proof of gods existence and to a lesser extent, education.

But it is still a belief and no proof to back the claim. How would education fall into that? Is there some special training to bring a valid claim? It's not working, bro. You're fighting a losing argument here.

[jdgregory84]

But it is still a belief and no proof to back the claim. How would education fall into that? Is there some special training to bring a valid claim? It's not working, bro. You're fighting a losing argument here.

Just because you say I'm losing an argument doesn't make it so. I'm not even trying to argue. You've changed the subject BTW. Nice job.

Reasoning with you seems hard, if not impossible. I never expected to change anybody's minds so I'm not worried about that. I might have worded it wrong earlier...not believing in something isn't the same as believing the opposite. I don't believe in God, however I would never claim to be an atheist. It's not that I believe in nothing. It's that I don't believe in anything when it comes to the subject of religion. Why? Because nobody has shown me proof of a certain religions validity.

As far as education goes, the more people learn about how things actually work, the less likely they are to believe that something made everything in seven days, and whatever happens only happens because that something lets it.

EDIT: Let's it happen, at it's will I might add.

[The King]

So anytime anybody says anything is true, we should just believe it without question? I guess that would make life a little easier.

Any time God has said anything is true, I do indeed believe it without question. However any time a man says anything is true, I would not necessarily believe it without question.

That's probably what they would say about modern religions.

Speculation, not proven.....

..and confessing your sins and asking forgiveness from God on your deathbed is different?

Depends on whether the confessor is sincere.

[jdgregory84]

Any time God has said anything is true, I do indeed believe it without question. However any time a man says anything is true, I would not necessarily believe it without question.

Yet your faith is based on a man made book.

Speculation, not proven.....

The Christian God has proof of existence? This thread should've been over a long time ago then. Feel free to share.

Depends on whether the confessor is sincere.

I sincerely wanted Santa Claus to visit me. I even left him cookies. When is the last time somebody did that for Jesus?

[The King]

Yet your faith is based on a man made book.

How would you know what my or anyone else's faith is based on? Are you actually omniscient or as I suspect presuming based on what you've "heard"?[

The Christian God has proof of existence? This thread should've been over a long time ago then. Feel free to share.

"That's probably what they would say about modern religions" was your statement which I quoted - did you choose to skip over that? As I said, speculation on your part, not proof.

I sincerely wanted Santa Claus to visit me. I even left him cookies. When is the last time somebody did that for Jesus?

Did what for Jesus?

[jdgregory84]

How would you know what my or anyone else's faith is based on? Are you actually omniscient or as I suspect presuming based on what you've "heard"?

I apologize then, what is your faith based upon? What educated you on the existence and expectations of God?

"That's probably what they would say about modern religions" was your statement which I quoted - did you choose to skip over that? As I said, speculation on your part, not proof.

Yet your speculation is that those religions were man-made and that yours is devine. I guess that's what I don't understand. I would just like to know why you believe that.

Did what for Jesus?

Left him cookies.

[The King]

I apologize then, what is your faith based upon? What educated you on the existence and expectations of God?

The Holy Spirit

Yet your speculation is that those religions were man-made and that yours is devine. I guess that's what I don't understand. I would just like to know why you believe that.

I never speculated or posted that any religion is divine. All religions in and of themselves are institutions of man, and no man or institution of his design are divine.

Left him cookies.

I don't know about that, but since you're in a Christmas mood I understand some peeps once left Jesus some gold, frankincense and myrrh.

[racrguy]

I apologize then, what is your faith based upon? What educated you on the existence and expectations of God?

The Holy Spirit

I never speculated or posted that any religion is divine. All religions in and of themselves are institutions of man, and no man or institution of his design are divine.

Any time God has said anything is true, I do indeed believe it without question. However any time a man says anything is true, I would not necessarily believe it without question.

So, the holy spirit is what you base your faith on. There is no evidence that I have ever seen for the holy spirit outside the bible. Even though the bible may have been "divinely inspired," it was still written by man. In this case, you would be accepting what man has said without a single question, yet you say that you don't. What's your explanation for this thought process, or are you being hypocritical?

[Denny]

Just because you say I'm losing an argument doesn't make it so. I'm not even trying to argue. You've changed the subject BTW. Nice job.

Reasoning with you seems hard, if not impossible. I never expected to change anybody's minds so I'm not worried about that. I might have worded it wrong earlier...not believing in something isn't the same as believing the opposite. I don't believe in God, however I would never claim to be an atheist. It's not that I believe in nothing. It's that I don't believe in anything when it comes to the subject of religion. Why? Because nobody has shown me proof of a certain religions validity.

As far as education goes, the more people learn about how things actually work, the less likely they are to believe that something made everything in seven days, and whatever happens only happens because that something lets it.

EDIT: Let's it happen, at it's will I might add.

I honestly think you're doing this whole thing just to be a contrarian at this point. You're probably laughing at yourself, trying to think of something to say (measuring from about half the posts you made on here). I get it. It is kind of funny.

[The King]

So, the holy spirit is what you base your faith on. There is no evidence that I have ever seen for the holy spirit outside the bible. Even though the bible may have been "divinely inspired," it was still written by man. In this case, you would be accepting what man has said without a single question, yet you say that you don't. What's your explanation for this thought process, or are you being hypocritical?

You have your very own thread in here in which all of this has already been addressed.