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Originally posted by QIK46 View Postnoone said you have to believe the bible is true. but when the time comes dont go crying over it. your either a believer or your not
Since we're talking about the abrahamic god, where else would you derive your beliefs from, other than the bible?
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Originally posted by QIK46 View Postnoone said you have to believe the bible is true. but when the time comes dont go crying over it. your either a believer or your not
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Racrguy
Admittedly, I didn't read the entire thread(just the first page), and I'm not a religious person at all, but what response are you looking for? Someone found God's footprint somewhere? A vile of Jesus' blood found somewhere? A hidden youtube clip of him performing a miracle?
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If you want more of a scientific view of Christianity and why we believe, try reading the book by Josh McDowell called "More than a Carpenter" which is an easier read..."Evidence that demands a Verdict" is basically the same book but very scientific/harder read.... or "The Case for Christ," by Lee Stroble. Both of these men were atheists who set out to disprove Christianity through science and ended up becoming Christians. There is a lot of science in the books. Everyone has the right to believe what they want but my opinion is that people think Christians are stupid for believing in God, or not believing in evolution or whatever...but they don't really research the science of what we believe from an educated Christian's view. They ask some un-educated Christian why they believe in God and their answer is "Because the bible says so" and they are understandably not impressed. At least research your questions through a Christian who can defend their faith and then make your decision having all the information from both points of view.
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Originally posted by stephen4785 View PostIf you want more of a scientific view of Christianity and why we believe, try reading the book by Josh McDowell called "More than a Carpenter" which is an easier read..."Evidence that demands a Verdict" is basically the same book but very scientific/harder read.... or "The Case for Christ," by Lee Stroble. Both of these men were atheists who set out to disprove Christianity through science and ended up becoming Christians. There is a lot of science in the books.
While I admit, I’ve not touched either of Mr. McDowell’s books, his credentials to discuss the topic of science don’t bode well for the man.
As for Mr. Strobel, you expect a man who converted by citing the Kalam cosmological argument as a reason, to discuss the science that he is not trained in as well? Or perhaps, all the time he spent with Michael Behe, who was shown to be either intentionally dishonest or, at best, incredulous during the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial. You give some stand up sources for supposed scientific support for Christianity.
Originally posted by stephen4785Everyone has the right to believe what they want
Originally posted by stephen4785but my opinion is that people think Christians are stupid for believing in God, or not believing in evolution or whatever...but they don't really research the science of what we believe from an educated Christian's view. They ask some un-educated Christian why they believe in God and their answer is "Because the bible says so" and they are understandably not impressed. At least research your questions through a Christian who can defend their faith and then make your decision having all the information from both points of view.
I do not remember anywhere on this thread that stated that only the uneducated need reply. It seemed to me that the question was available for anyone to respond to, and therefore Racrguy did not “ask some un-educated Christian” unless you do the people on this board the great disservice I referenced above.
Edit: It didn’t dawn on me until after I posted that your implications of the Christians of these forums being uneducated precludes the acceptance of your evidence, as you would be just as uneducated if you are a Christian on this board.Scientists do not coddle ideas. They crash test them. They run them into a brick wall at 60 miles per hour and then examine the pieces.
If the idea is sound, the pieces will be that of the wall.
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Originally posted by kanetrain View PostAdmittedly, I didn't read the entire thread(just the first page), and I'm not a religious person at all, but what response are you looking for? Someone found God's footprint somewhere? A vile of Jesus' blood found somewhere? A hidden youtube clip of him performing a miracle?
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Originally posted by Maddhattter View PostSo, what you’re basically saying here is we should take our high level scientific evidence from Josh McDowell, who has a whole Bachelors of Arts as his highest legitimate educational achievement, or from Lee Strobel, a man whose academic accolades include a Bachelors for Journalism and a Masters in Law. These are the scientific experts that are supposed to show us the “educated” scientific view of Christianity?
While I admit, I’ve not touched either of Mr. McDowell’s books, his credentials to discuss the topic of science don’t bode well for the man.
As for Mr. Strobel, you expect a man who converted by citing the Kalam cosmological argument as a reason, to discuss the science that he is not trained in as well? Or perhaps, all the time he spent with Michael Behe, who was shown to be either intentionally dishonest or, at best, incredulous during the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial. You give some stand up sources for supposed scientific support for Christianity.
No disagreement here. However, I don’t remember ever seeing anyone make the claim otherwise. If someone did, please point it out. If no one did, the above point is irrelevant to the topic.
I’d say that you’re doing the members of this board a great disservice. You basically stated that all the people that stand on your side of the fence that frequent this board are uneducated.
I do not remember anywhere on this thread that stated that only the uneducated need reply. It seemed to me that the question was available for anyone to respond to, and therefore Racrguy did not “ask some un-educated Christian” unless you do the people on this board the great disservice I referenced above.
Edit: It didn’t dawn on me until after I posted that your implications of the Christians of these forums being uneducated precludes the acceptance of your evidence, as you would be just as uneducated if you are a Christian on this board.
Again, my point is that if you are looking to answers to one of life's most important questions...it might be wise to do your research and not just take the word of some guy (Any of us) on a mustang forum.
Here is a link I found...never been on it before but it looks good for anyone interested http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.htmlLast edited by stephen4785; 06-24-2011, 01:09 AM.
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