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  • China Pressuring Pakistan For Downed U.S. Stealth Helicopter

    My money says this story is too late, I betcha China has already examined it and are working to reverse engineer the technology. I would also not be surprised if Pakistan says to fuck off and refuses to return what's left of it.



    China Pressuring Pakistan For Downed U.S. Stealth Helicopter, Pakistan Says They May Let Them Study It

    Pakistani officials said today they’re interested in studying the remains of the U.S.’s secret stealth-modified helicopter abandoned during the Navy SEAL raid of Osama bin Laden’s compound, and suggested the Chinese are as well.

    The U.S. has already asked the Pakistanis for the helicopter wreckage back, but one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also “very interested” in seeing the remains. Another official said, “We might let them [the Chinese] take a look.”

    A U.S. official said he did not know if the Pakistanis had offered a peek to the Chinese, but said he would be “shocked” if the Chinese hadn’t already been given access to the damaged aircraft.

    The chopper, which aviation experts believe to be a highly classified modified version of a Blackhawk helicopter, clipped a wall during the operation that took down the al Qaeda leader, the White House said. The U.S. Navy SEALs that rode in on the bird attempted to destroy it after abandoning it on the ground, but a significant portion of the tail section survived the explosion. In the days after the raid, the tail section and other pieces of debris — including a mysterious cloth-like covering that the local children found entertaining to play with — were photographed being hauled away from the crash site by tractor.

    Aviation experts said the unusual configuration of the rear rotor, the curious hub-cap like housing around it and the general shape of the bird are all clues the helicopter was highly modified to not only be quiet, but to have as small a radar signature as possible.

    The helicopter’s remains have apparently become another chip in a tense, high-stakes game of diplomacy between the U.S. and Pakistan following the U.S.’s unilateral military raid of bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, more than a week ago. The potential technological advancements gleaned from the bird could be a “much appreciated gift” to the Chinese, according to former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke.

    “Because Pakistan gets access to Chinese missile technology and other advanced systems, Islamabad is always looking for ways to give China something in return,” Clarke said.

    The Chinese and Pakistani governments are known to have a close relationship. Last month Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif concluded a trip to Beijing, afterwards telling Pakistan’s local press that China was Pakistan’s “best friend.”

    Dan Goure, a former Department of Defense official and vice president of the Lexington Institute, said last week the stealth chopper likely provided the SEALs an invaluable advantage in the moments before the shooting started.

    “This is a first,” he said. “You wouldn’t know that it was coming right at you. And that’s what’s important, because these are coming in fast and low, and if they aren’t sounding like they’re coming right at you, you might not even react until it’s too late… That was clearly part of the success.”

    Neighbors of bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, told ABC News they didn’t hear the helicopters the night of the raid until they were overhead.

    Officials at the U.S. Department of Defense declined to comment for this report, and a senior Pentagon official told ABC News last week the Department would “absolutely not” discuss anything relating to the downed chopper. Several Chinese government officials in the U.S. and in China were not available for comment.

    U.S. officials have not officially disclosed any details on the helicopter, but President Obama said it was a “$60 million helicopter,” in a report by The Washington Post. While the price tag on normal Blackhawks varies depending the type, none cost more than $20 million according to the latest Department of Defense procurement report.

    China’s Murky History With U.S. Stealth Technology

    If the Chinese are allowed to see the wreckage, it may not be the first time the Chinese military was given an opportunity to benefit technologically from America’s misfortune. In 1999 an American stealth F-117 Nighthawk bomber was shot down in Serbia, the wreckage of which was reportedly passed along to the Chinese.

    More than a decade later, in January of this year, China’s first stealth fighter, the J-20, took a test flight that caught international attention and sparked a debate over whether China had developed the stealth-capabilities based on what they learned from the downed Nighthawk. Balkan military officials told The Associated Press the Chinese likely based their designs on the American plane, but Chinese officials denied the allegation in their state-run newspaper, The Global Times.

    Regardless of its origins, the J-20 could serve as the first major challenge to American air superiority in decades. In an analysis published last week, the conservative think tank The Jamestown Foundation concluded the J-20 was capable of rivaling America’s best air-to-air fighter, the F-22, in everything from speed to stealth and lethality.

  • #2
    Why the fuck wasn't it torched or hauled out ASAP?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
      Why the fuck wasn't it torched or hauled out ASAP?
      They blew it up, but the tail section remained pretty much in tact. I guess they were trying to haul ass out of there.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by UserX View Post
        They blew it up, but the tail section remained pretty much in tact. I guess they were trying to haul ass out of there.
        You would think they'd cover the explosion a little better. Need to put a stop payment on the check to Pakistan.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
          You would think they'd cover the explosion a little better. Need to put a stop payment on the check to Pakistan.
          I agree, on both accounts.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
            You would think they'd cover the explosion a little better. Need to put a stop payment on the check to Pakistan.
            And take out the hanger that is housing the tail piece.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Machx2 View Post
              And take out the hanger that is housing the tail piece.
              It was taken to an "unreleased location" by Pakistan officials.

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              • #8
                Time to start using that check they get from us every year as a bargaining chip
                I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by UserX View Post
                  They blew it up, but the tail section remained pretty much in tact. I guess they were trying to haul ass out of there.
                  When it landed, the tail end hit the wall. As they blew it up, the tail fell over the outside of the wall.

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                  • #10
                    Is it really a big surprise that Pakistan doing something to hurt us? They've been our ally in the war on terror because they don't want suicide bombers either but their hatred of India far exceeds any feelings of gratitude they'd have for us.

                    Look up Mir Aimal Kasi, the Pakistani terrorists were attacking us before Al Qaeda. The scary part though is that Pakistan has nukes already.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by UserX View Post
                      It was taken to an "unreleased location" by Pakistan officials.
                      Really simple: give us back the piece or we'll start leveling buildings until we find it.

                      Blast a hospital and say "nope, not there, shall we continue?"

                      This also speaks volumes about China's intentions. The war will start out economically and progress from there.

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                      • #12
                        Too bad Obama doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done in this situation and set off a chain of events that would force India to pummel PAHK-E-STAHN back into the fuckin' stone age.
                        How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Geor! View Post
                          Too bad Obama doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done in any situation
                          Fixed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Geor! View Post
                            Too bad Obama doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done in this situation and set off a chain of events that would force India to pummel PAHK-E-STAHN back into the fuckin' stone age.
                            Obama doesn't have anything to do with that, it's knowing that China will roll troops into the Kashmir region as soon as the bombing starts that's keeping it from happening.

                            We've already picked our horse in this race and it wasn't Pakistan, they've never been our ally. Musharraf liked us but unfortunately the rest of his country hated him and they dislike us for supporting him.

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                            • #15
                              This was all set up for the Pakis to fail so we can start another war front. I just had a meeting saying that they plan to have all civilians off this base by October 1st and military within 2 weeks after that.

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