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    The president's decision to withhold photographs of the dead Osama bin Laden is only the last in a series of terrible mistakes in the handling of his body. Although there should be no doubt that bin Laden is actually dead, there are grave doubts as to the circumstances surrounding his death. Was he shot in cold blood? Was he shot in the back or in the front? Were his hands raised in surrender? Was he actively resisting?

    Many of these doubts could have been resolved if bin Laden's body had been subjected to the usual investigatory techniques routinely employed in homicide cases. His body should have been subjected to an autopsy, to forensic testing by an experienced medical examiner, to extensive photographing of entrance and exit wounds, to paraffin testing for gun-powder residue, and to other such forensic examination.

    Burying his body at sea constituted the willful destruction of relevant evidence, which naturally gives rise to suspicions that there was something to hide. I fully credit the administration's explanation that the reason for the hasty burial at sea was the desire not to offend religious Muslims and not to create a shrine to a dead mass murderer. But many reasonable people around the world will wonder whether the decision may also have been based on a desire to suppress the whole truth.

    In my nearly half-century of representing defendants charged with homicide, I have come to know that the best evidence of how a person died comes from the body of the deceased. Dead bodies often talk more loudly, clearly and unambiguously than live witnesses. Bin Laden's body should have been preserved as long as necessary to gather all relevant evidence, notwithstanding the requirements of Shariah Law.

    When a Muslim or a Jew is the victim of a homicide in the United States, religious considerations do not trump civil requirements. Their bodies are generally sent to the medical examiner for thorough examination. Notwithstanding religious prohibitions, autopsies are performed and organs removed for testing. No special exception should have been made for bin Laden's body.

    The president's decision to suppress the remaining photographic evidence is disturbing on many levels. First, it is wrong on its merits. The public is used to seeing visual portrayals of dead bodies on television and in movies. Anyone who has served as a juror or a courtroom observer in a homicide case has seen bodies riddled with bullets or afflicted with stab wounds. We are mature enough to endure viewing such visual evidence if we choose to. Nor is there any real risk that these photographs will inflame Muslim or Arab sensibilities any more than the photographs of Saddam Hussein did.

    In a democracy, doubts must always be resolved in favor of disclosure, particularly in a matter of such great public interest and controversy. Surely Congress has at least equal authority to decide what to do with the photographs. Moreover, the press may have the right to obtain and publish these highly relevant items of evidence as part of its duty to inform the public. Some media will surely challenge the president's decision—and if they do I hope they win.

    The great Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis taught us nearly a century ago that "sunlight is the best disinfectant." The remaining evidence of how bin Laden was killed—the photographs and the results of any forensic tests that may have been hastily performed—should be exposed to the sunlight of publication.

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    Let me start by saying I have nothing but the utmost respect of ALL of our armed forces, and Seal Team Six is no different. I don't question their motives, intelligence, or ability. I'll also say a huge thank you for your service.

    But.... This thing has been fucked from the get go. Details are conflicting, stories keep changing, etc. You add in the downed chopper, the quick disposal of the body at sea, and now them refusing to release the photos of OBL, yet they release photos of unnamed dead Muslims killed in this very same mission. It sure seems like this mission was doomed to fail from the start. Almost seems as if it's a miracle it wasn't a failure. Is this poor Navy leadership, or poor leadership from the CIC? Why so many conflicting 'facts', when this squad is the best of the best? Is it your impression that Obama gave them unclear direction all along? Or was it flip flopping/wagering on his decisions? Or is this all on Navy leadership, poor planning, unclear direction, etc?
    Originally posted by BradM
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    • #3
      This is just the glass half empty folks in the media blowing their horn......

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      • #4
        love it...even the left is attacking him

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        • #5
          I still see no conclusive evidence that he was killed, all we have is obama's word.

          Stevo
          Originally posted by SSMAN
          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stevo View Post
            I still see no conclusive evidence that he was killed, all we have is obama's word.

            Stevo
            And the word of the Special Forces team members. Tell the truth; if a picture was released, or even a full autopsy report, would you believe it then?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GSRGuy94 View Post
              And the word of the Special Forces team members. Tell the truth; if a picture was released, or even a full autopsy report, would you believe it then?
              Of course not. I would love to see pictures and don't get the big deal with releasing them, but people will scream Photoshop within 5 seconds anyway....

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              • #8
                Exactly. So what the hell is the point?

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                • #9
                  Because someone in Yemen will burn our flag and might attack our forces. Oh wait....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GSRGuy94 View Post
                    And the word of the Special Forces team members. Tell the truth; if a picture was released, or even a full autopsy report, would you believe it then?
                    Originally posted by GSRGuy94 View Post
                    Exactly. So what the hell is the point?
                    It would go a lot further to prove it than the lying empty suit in the white house.

                    And what special forces? How many actual members of these special forces have come out and said "I was there, and saw him die"?

                    Stevo
                    Originally posted by SSMAN
                    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                    • #11
                      every1 is never satisfied, no photo means no idiot radical muslim wont declare osama a worshiped god. WHo gives a shit how he was dumped, id would have buried him in a pile of shit. Why should we care what he needed to get to his god and certain procedures. Did he think of all those folks in the trade centers and how were they gonna ask for forgiveness to their sins, if they are dead beforethey can. there is no reason to release the pictures, if its gonna cause a stir with idiots around the world.+ no one will ever be satisfied either way.
                      http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...g/P1010006.jpg

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                      • #12
                        shit he's dead, who the hell cares. I dont care if he was shot in the back of the head, hes dead.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                          Why so many conflicting 'facts', when this squad is the best of the best? Is it your impression that Obama gave them unclear direction all along? Or was it flip flopping/wagering on his decisions? Or is this all on Navy leadership, poor planning, unclear direction, etc?

                          Its the media machine making hay/ratings playing armchair quarterback IMHO. I am not a fan of the head comrade by any means but I will give him and the team credit. I watched some fox news today and they were bashing the CIC cause he waited 16 hours to make the decision to move. I hate to say it but maybe that gave OBL time to get back from somewhere else. We will never know.


                          In the end the timing worked and that 6.5 pile of camel dung is crab food. Pres gave and order the SEAL team executed it on many levels.

                          Now we are bitching about how it was done or the "right" of the press to see the photos. Kinda sad when the importent thing is what we have been trying to do for 10 years is done.

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                          • #14
                            They shouldve brought his body back here and hung it at times square just like moussolini then there would be zero doubt

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jasonw_2005 View Post
                              They shouldve brought his body back here and hung it at times square just like moussolini then there would be zero doubt
                              This.

                              Stevo
                              Originally posted by SSMAN
                              ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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