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    NBA players’ union leader takes bold stand

    By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
    Mar 21, 1:10 pm EDT


    Across the Staples Center locker room, the NBA’s All-Stars waited for commissioner David Stern and Players Association executive director Billy Hunter to deliver the perfunctory rah-rah remarks they regurgitate every year on the eve of the game. Only, Hunter had a different plan, unleashing an inspired soliloquy to frame the gathering storm of labor strife. And it may have just transformed the way the biggest stars in the sport see him.

    The room was thick with league executives, coaches and players on the afternoon of Feb. 19, and they listened to Hunter insist he couldn’t come in good faith and tell them everything was well within the NBA. Hunter said the owners had made a crippling proposal, a long lockout loomed and these players in the room would bear the biggest financial and public relations burden of a work stoppage. And then he started to tell them he had thought long and hard about the way Oscar Robertson and Jerry West staged a protest at the 1964 All-Star Game, threatening a boycott until they had leveraged the league into the most rudimentary of medical benefits and pension contributions.
    Yes, Hunter had been thinking long and hard, losing sleep over the possibility of declaring an uprising of his own. He dropped dramatic, long pauses and left everyone – including Stern, who had started barking into the ear of his deputy, Adam Silver – thinking that Hunter had come to advocate the players make some kind of bold stand themselves in Los Angeles. In the end, Hunter stopped short, insisting the All-Stars had an obligation to play the game, but the message to the players was unmistakable: Hunter wouldn’t back down to Stern, and maybe even had the ability to rattle him, the way the commissioner and owners had been trying to unnerve the players.

    So livid, Stern would barely even look at Hunter when Hunter handed him the microphone. And soon, Stern started reciting his résumé, his decades of labor fights and legal battles in the NBA. Here’s how much the NBA was worth and here’s where I’ve brought it, he said. Everyone could see the anger rising within him, but no one expected the words that tumbled out of his mouth.

    Stern told the room he knows where “the bodies are buried” in the NBA, witnesses recounted, because he had buried some of them himself.
    “It was shocking,” Chicago Bulls star Derrick Rose(notes) told Yahoo! Sports. “I was taking off my gear, and when he said that, I just stopped and thought, ‘Whoa …’

    “I couldn’t believe that he said it.”

    Rose wasn’t alone. Said another All-Star in the room, “I was shocked … just shocked.”

    Whatever implications were intended with Stern’s words, several players declared the scene to be a galvanizing moment. It was “probably the best Billy has been around us,” one veteran Eastern Conference All-Star told Yahoo! Sports. Out of fear of league retribution, several witnesses in the room didn’t want comments attributed to them.

    The prospect of a lockout cutting into next season is frightening for everyone, and it wasn’t enough for the players to simply listen to Hunter tell them to prepare for a year-long work stoppage, to understand the issues separating the sides. The players needed to see Hunter get in a room with the commissioner, push back on Stern and his billionaire owners. They’ve always seen Stern so cool, so composed, so prepared for everything with a calculated, deft answer, but now they had also seen him riled. They had seen the simmering of his infamous temper. For all the talk of the players’ disjointed ranks, Hunter had gone a long way toward cementing the support of his most important constituents.

    “Especially Billy talking like that with David in the room, it makes you feel good,” Rose said.

    Hunter is standing between the players getting their contracts rolled back and the league implementing a hard salary cap. The NBA’s players have watched the NFL players union decertify and go to federal court. They understand that football’s ruling will shape the forever of pro basketball.

    “Every basketball player knows about the NFL – and that’s always been their biggest dread and concern,” Hunter told Yahoo! Sports in an interview at his office recently. “The boogeyman is the system that the players play under in the NFL.

    “Ironically, a lot of the same things that David and the owners are demanding now are identical to what they were demanding in ’98. He said, ‘I think every one of my owners should have a guaranteed $10 million profit per year. I said, ‘Bull… . ‘What they have is predicated on how they manage their teams. Nobody forces them to sign anyone.

    “It’s the same argument: ‘We’ve got these guys who got six-year deals and I’ve got to pay this guy …’ Well, [expletive] it. Why did you give it to him? Nobody put a gun to your head.”

    This could be the final fight for Billy Hunter, and this time he sounds like he wants to take on everyone. This is a propaganda machine within the NBA, a world where everyone is on the payroll – or wants to be on it. From television partners to the biggest names in the sport’s history, Hunter has to make a case for a union that’s mostly composed of young, rich African-American men. As for the PR war, Hunter confesses, “We can’t win it.”

    The public will forever believe the players are overpaid, that the system tilts against the owners, no matter how the facts play out. Still, Hunter sounds unwilling to sit back and let Stern and the owners dictate the terms of engagement. That’s how it’s always gone, but Hunter sounds willing to treat Stern’s surrogates like the commissioner himself: as an enemy of the players association.

    The NBA employs so many former stars like Julius Erving, using them as glad-handers who tsk-tsk on today’s players. “Most people may not realize that Dr. J works for the league, that they parade him around the country,” Hunter says. “They should’ve asked Dr. J for his income tax statements, and see how much he got from the NBA last year.”

    The league “has got to play hardball,” Julius Erving told ESPN.com at ESPN the Weekend in Orlando. “When I played, the owners had the power. The prisoners are running the prison now, not the warden. The warden is strong and he has say-so but, the balance of power is definitely with the players.”

    Nevertheless, this is still Hunter vs. Stern II. They pushed the NBA season to the brink in ’98, and feel like they’re headed there again. Only this time, Stern’s world has changed. The owners are younger, brasher and bought into the NBA at far steeper prices. Once, the owners allowed Stern to set the agenda. That isn’t always true anymore.

    “I don’t think he has the sway that he once did,” Hunter said. “I’m not saying that he’s not the commissioner and does not have the power to act. But I don’t know that he has the unfettered, undying support that he had before. There’s maybe a little crack in the dike.”

    This time, Hunter has gone deeper to solidify his own ranks. For two years, he’s traveled the league, meeting with players and imploring them to save money for a lockout. Over All-Star weekend, he spoke to the players’ mothers at a luncheon. And he did something else he had never done before: He gathered the players’ business managers, entourages and hangers-on for a meeting. This wasn’t popular with the players’ agents, but there’s long been something of a gulf between Hunter and them.

    “Some of the agents are pissed because they say that I ended up legitimizing the [entourages],” Hunter says.

    Many of the most powerful agents still believe Hunter doesn’t include them enough in the decision-making process, that he should consult them more in the fight with the league. So many of them are more comfortable dealing with the union’s top attorney, Ron Klempner, but feel like Hunter is too inaccessible to them. They’ve all met with him in recent months, but they want a greater role that he’s reluctant to give them.

    “My door is open,” Hunter said, “but am I going to run it by some agents every time I make a decision? That’s not happening. When I came in ’98, for the most part, the agents ran the union. I had to wrest control from the agents.”

    In this information age, it’s far easier for Hunter to deliver information to his players, but rallying them is something else. That’s harder, and that’s ultimately the most important element of this labor fight. The commissioner and owners are banking that the players won’t get too far into a lockout because they won’t want to live without the paychecks, that they’ll cave to the hard-line owners demanding historic givebacks.

    This is the reason the scene in the locker room was so important, because the players needed to see Hunter unafraid of Stern, unafraid of taking the fight to him. It is rare that the players get to see the two go one-on-one, because the commissioner and owners have been so uneasy with negotiating sessions that involve the league’s elite stars.

    This year, Hunter said he told Stern this story: “I don’t know where you were raised, but I lived with rats. I used to kill rats. We had a .22 rifle and we would lay in the kitchen and shoot them on the floor. One thing my grandmother taught me was that if you got a rat trapped, you’ve got to give his ass a way out, because he will fight you if he has to.

    “If you don’t give us a way out, a chance for a compromise, you’re going to get a fight.”

    After the players watched David Stern drop the line about bodies buried in the NBA and march out of that Staples Center locker room, his entourage of suits and yes-men falling into formation behind him, they smiled and nodded, thrilled that Billy Hunter had thrown him off balance. The NBA’s players needed to see it in February and they’ll need to see it again and again. The fight’s on.
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  • #2
    Sounds like they made Stern a little angry.

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    • #3
      Stern's a piece of shit, and if he died of a heart attack tomorrow, it wouldn't be soon enough. Fuck him in his disease riddled asshole.
      Originally posted by BradM
      But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
      Originally posted by Leah
      In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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      • #4
        Union says it won't accept bad deal

        NEW YORK -- With NBA stars from veteran Kevin Garnett to Rookie of the Year Blake Griffin standing behind him, union president Derek Fisher said Thursday that players won't accept a bad deal to avert a work stoppage.

        "We'd love to avoid a lockout, but we're unified in the sense of not being afraid if that's what we're faced with," the Lakers guard said.

        Player representatives from each team were in town for their summer meeting and were updated on the state of negotiations with owners. The collective bargaining agreement expires June 30, and the sides remain far apart headed into another session Friday.

        Garnett and Paul Pierce from the Celtics, the Clippers' Griffin, the Hornets' Chris Paul and Jason Terry of the NBA champion Dallas Mavericks were among the 60 players who joined Fisher at the front of the news conference. Garnett said owners want "control."

        "It's unfortunate, to be honest, because we have great momentum right now," said Garnett, whose massive contract in Minnesota was a catalyst for the changes owners sought that led to the 1998 lockout.

        "I think the league is, as far as anticipation and the leading stories and the careers that you can follow, you know Dirk finally winning, I mean there's multiple stories that are intriguing right now and it's just unfortunate that we're all going through this right now to sort of slow that down."

        The sides swapped proposals Tuesday, but that brought them no closer. The league proposed what it called a "flex" salary cap, in which teams would be targeted to spend $62 million but could exceed that through the use of various exceptions. But there's an eventual ceiling at an unspecified amount, so players still consider it a hard cap.

        It's similar to the NHL's salary cap system, which was instituted after a work stoppage in 2004-05 and which NBPA executive director Billy Hunter called "the worst deal in all of professional sports."

        Hunter said NHL owners could only win such an agreement after breaking their players' union, and contends NBA owners' intend to lock out their players with similar hopes.

        "Now they haven't been able to impose that deal on us yet, but what they're proposing even makes the NHL's deal look good," Hunter said. "In order to get that, it's my belief that you have to do the same kind of damage, impose the same kind of damage on us. You have to break the spirit and will and resolve of the NBA players in order to achieve what they want."

        Players say won't happen, with Garnett believing the unity is stronger than it was in '98.

        The players say their proposal called for them to give back $500 million in salary over five years by reducing their share of guaranteed revenues from 57 percent to 54.3 percent, an offer that Commissioner David Stern called "modest."

        "To call our moves modest is just not accurate," Fisher said.

        Though the league has projected $300 million in losses this season and says 22 of its 30 teams will lose money, players point to record TV ratings and increases in merchandise and ticket sales in their belief that things aren't bad enough to warrant the changes owners seek.

        "Everything you can measure success by have been at record levels," Fisher said.

        That may not be enough. Both sides have indicated they've about reached the limit of what they would concede in a proposal, so there may not be any progress Friday. After that, owners are set to meet Tuesday in Dallas, where they could vote to lock out the players.

        Fisher refused to guess what the owners would do, but made his side clear.

        "We've been instructed not to accept a deal that is not fair to our players," he said.

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        • #5
          The NBA is a mess

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BERT View Post
            The NBA is a mess
            Maybe this will push Stern out of his position as commish. I mean, this thing is being run into the ground, judging by the losses.

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            • #7
              this is getting closer and closer.

              43 preseason games cancelled, and the training camps are postponed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                Stern's a piece of shit, and if he died of a heart attack tomorrow, it wouldn't be soon enough. Fuck him in his disease riddled asshole.
                I'll go ahead and say that for Roger Goodell also.
                How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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                • #9
                  I felt like the NBA situation was worse than the NFL situation. I also heard alot of that too on the radio and online/tv. If the NBA thinks that a lockout won't hurt their popularity then they are wrong. Just look how bad the NHL was after their lockout. Or even baseball after 1994. Honestly, I have my NFL and even NHL.
                  Los Angeles Rams 11-5
                  Last Game - Loss vs. San Fransisco
                  Up Next - vs. Atlanta

                  2017 NFC West Division Champions

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                  • #10
                    Fuck the nba

                    hopefully it dismembers and goes away

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
                      I'll go ahead and say that for Roger Goodell also.
                      Por que?
                      Originally posted by BradM
                      But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                      Originally posted by Leah
                      In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                        this is getting closer and closer.

                        43 preseason games cancelled, and the training camps are postponed.
                        There will be no 2012 season, you can pretty much bet on that at this point. They are so far apart there is no sign of the coming together anytime soon.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Steve View Post
                          There will be no 2012 season, you can pretty much bet on that at this point. They are so far apart there is no sign of the coming together anytime soon.
                          No surprise. I mean, we all thought that if the Mavs ever won a championship, the world would end. Well, it might end the basketball world.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                            Por que?
                            Really, dude? How many rule changes have there been since he took over? How many percentage points have fines increased? And him and the league still think they don't take a big enough slice out of the pie.
                            How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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                            • #15
                              Why am I not surprised....sports are not what they use to be!
                              Originally posted by Da Prez
                              Fuck dfwstangs!! If Jose ain't running it, I won't even bother going back to it, just my two cents!!
                              Originally posted by VETTKLR


                              Cliff Notes: I can beat the fuck out of a ZR1

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