3rd Annual DFW(m)S Golf GTG

[turbostang]

Whatever dude...you have a nice on plane swing and dont try to do too much. Your problem is coming out of your swing early and either pushing it right or hitting it fat. With some range time and a little tweaking from someone that isnt trying to give you a pro swing, you could be a really good golfer.

I have my days, some better than others. Honestly, I don't play much at all - in fact, the GTG was only the 2nd time since late last fall. The other time was the day before.

I told myself I'd buy new clubs when I get a honest to goodness 85. I got close a few times, but my short game (inside 100yards) kills me. Just no time to practice.

[Mikecobra302]

Nice post. Don is too proud and feels that he has the answers as to why he thinks he needs forged blades. But, he is a good guy and loves the game and is determined to get better...but his way of getting better isnt working. He needs to open his mind to advice from people that have been in his shoes. Mike, we need to play some time.

I agree with all said sir. Let me know next time you're in town. Don asked me to play with you guys on Saturday but I couldn't pull off 2 days of golf with the wife, lmao! I could use some of your pointers I'm sure

[Badass2000GT]

Damnit Dave. I wish you came to hooters with us, cause watching you and Don argue about his swing would had been hilarious.

[davbrucas]

I agree with all said sir. Let me know next time you're in town. Don asked me to play with you guys on Saturday but I couldn't pull off 2 days of golf with the wife, lmao! I could use some of your pointers I'm sure

I hear ya...I cant always hit the shots (especially after a 4mos break) but I do know the swing and can help someone that makes good contact get their swing to where it is playable.

Damnit Dave. I wish you came to hooters with us, cause watching you and Don argue about his swing would had been hilarious.

Yeah, I wanted to come but my wife and boys were waiting for me at the hotel to take them to dinner.
It's hard to debate with someone who is the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[openroadracer]

Yup...but when there is testosterone involved, there is always competition. Oh wait, youre old...get your levels checked!

it's fine. i still get a boner for college chicks.

BTW, this old guy smacked his drive 323yds on 18 sunday. i'll take that.

[DON SVO]

Nice post. Don is too proud and feels that he has the answers as to why he thinks he needs forged blades. But, he is a good guy and loves the game and is determined to get better...but his way of getting better isnt working. He needs to open his mind to advice from people that have been in his shoes. Mike, we need to play some time.

Goddamnit I bought a set of Adams CB2s and tried to play a cavity back that was forged.

Game improvement irons have offset, wide soles and ugly top lines. I hit too many thin shots and hooks. Could I have possibly hit them better after a few months? Sure. But how about this...

I shoot mainly in the 92-97 range.

I'm losing between 6-10 strokes solely off the tee box. this includes drops and punch outs.

Why in the hell would I want to dump money into some irons (again) to spend months possibly gaining 2-3 strokes from iron play, when whatever demons I have with my driver/hybrids are costing me 6-10 RIGHT NOW, let alone the bad position and length of approach shots taking a drop or 3-off-the-tee gives me???

Sure I might not hit my irons spot-on all the time, but Jesus fuck I've only been playing a year and a half. What the hell good will some GI irons provide when I'm vomiting 10 shots a round into the goddamn forest?

I can see it now...

*******
Dr. Dave: "Nice Game Improvement irons! I'm glad you listened finally! What's your handicap nowadays?"

Don: "17.8..."

Dr. Dave: "See? You dropped a stroke in only 4 months!"


20 minutes later on the 3rd tee box...

Dr. Dave: "Jesus you just pulled that one into the trees. Thats gone... you're swing plane is too flat/over the top/inside/outside/quick/slow/retarded. Why won't you fix that?!"

Don: "I spent the money for some swing lessons on the GI irons."

Dr. Dave: "well, Uhhh, you need even MORE SUPER GAME INPROVEMENT IRONS then."
******

So anyways, I'm gonna keep hitting my shit-ass musclebacks until I stop losing a dozen fucking strokes before I pull off the tee box.

[davbrucas]

I rest my case Your Honor. Dunning Kruger is in full effect. He even has data to back it up.

[DON SVO]

I rest my case Your Honor. Dunning Kruger is in full effect. He even has data to back it up.

When I'm shooting 83-87 and my irons are keeping me out of the 70s, I'll listen.

[turbostang]

Don, when the masses tell you it's the clubs, it probably is. I mean, it's just not Dave telling you...You know that.

I am certainly not one to cast stones, but I try to hit Gates' clubs just about every time we play, and there's no fucking way I would own a set of anything like that - not for a while at least. it's a lot easier to correct swing problems, hit more clean shots etc.. with some sort of non-blade irons. Even I know that. "ugly" clubs work just as good as pretty clubs. I mean, if the ball goes in the hole in less strokes with an ugly club, its' working isn't it?

To put it into perspective, how many times have you seen someone come in a bowling alley with a 300$ "pretty" ball, 200$ shoes, a wrist brace, 4 kinds of rosin, and some sort of ball cleaning solution only to shoot 130? It's the same thing, only in bowling you throw the ball instead of hitting it.

[davbrucas]

Not all GI irons have offset. Like I said Don, golf is more of an art form and less of a science. At your level, the more you break it down scientifically, the more difficult it becomes, yet you get more confident in your ignorance (or your perceived lack thereof)...hence the Dunning Kruger comment.

[DON SVO]

Don, when the masses tell you it's the clubs, it probably is. I mean, it's just not Dave telling you...You know that.

I am certainly not one to cast stones, but I try to hit Gates' clubs just about every time we play, and there's no fucking way I would own a set of anything like that - not for a while at least. it's a lot easier to correct swing problems, hit more clean shots etc.. with some sort of non-blade irons. Even I know that. "ugly" clubs work just as good as pretty clubs. I mean, if the ball goes in the hole in less strokes with an ugly club, its' working isn't it?

To put it into perspective, how many times have you seen someone come in a bowling alley with a 300$ "pretty" ball, 200$ shoes, a wrist brace, 4 kinds of rosin, and some sort of ball cleaning solution only to shoot 130? It's the same thing, only in bowling you throw the ball instead of hitting it.

I dont care if there's 1,000 blind assholes who think game improvement irons are going to magically fix a fucked up tee shot.

"hyuk hyuk, hey Gomer! If you had some super shovel irons you would have NEVER hit that tee shot into the woods!"

I don't get why y'all want to incessantly bag on me on my irons: I'm not bad with them. Why do you want to completely ignore bogey/double bogey scores when I'm taking a drop or hitting out of the bushes?! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

I'll expound on your example, Brooks:

If that bowler either strikes or leaves a solid 5 pin... Thats all he does BTW. And he MISSES picking up that 5 pin 80% of the time... Are you going to teach him to pick up the 5 pin he misses, or tell him to buy more forgiving strike balls?

Once again, who cares if I leave 2 or 3 iron shots on the table when I'm leaving 12 off the tee?

[Mikecobra302]

Not all GI irons have offset. Like I said Don, golf is more of an art form and less of a science. At your level, the more you break it down scientifically, the more difficult it becomes, yet you get more confident in your ignorance (or your perceived lack thereof)...hence the Dunning Kruger comment.

I don't get Don's approach to this at all. It baffles my mind really. I went and got fitted for a driver. I loved my Taylor Made R7 and had every intention of buying the new R11. My Father in Law is a scratch golfer and set me up on the swing monitor with his good friend.

I tried 6 different drivers, I didn't care what brand or what it looked like, I tried them all. I have no clue what my spin rate was, I don't know what launch angle is good. I know my club head speed was 113mph on average.

When it all came down, the new Titlesit 910 D2 with the S flex RIP shaft was the best fit for my game.

I don't care what I hit, or what the stats say, I know on the tee box now I am more in control and I still launch the ball very far out there. I don't need to over analyze my game, I know keeping the ball in play will help my score.

Don makes things WAY too difficult for himself. He always knows what he did wrong, but there is so far yet, no solution

If I'm having an off day driving, I know to lean on my irons and short game. If it all worked all the time, I'd be a scratch golfer, lol

[DON SVO]

Not all GI irons have offset. Like I said Don, golf is more of an art form and less of a science. At your level, the more you break it down scientifically, the more difficult it becomes, yet you get more confident in your ignorance (or your perceived lack thereof)...hence the Dunning Kruger comment.

There is no Dunning Kruger Effect, goddamnit, how many times do I have to say I need to fix my swing and no GI iron in EXISTENCE is going to help hooking my fucking driver into a fucking creek!?!?!

[Mikecobra302]

I dont care if there's 1,000 blind assholes who think game improvement irons are going to magically fix a fucked up tee shot.

Once again, who cares if I leave 2 or 3 iron shots on the table when I'm leaving 12 off the tee?

Just trying to help ya out Don. 99% of people can look at your game and think you're crazy for having muscle back irons or blades. It's what YOU want to do though. Losing tee shots happens, its the hardest club to control, the driver.

From playing several rounds with you though I'd have to say you lose way more shots on bad irons and short game play over anything I've seen off the tee. But you're gonna think what you want.

I can't get Cody to practice his short game at all, and until he does he won't get any better, no matter how well he drives the ball.

[DON SVO]

Just trying to help ya out Don. 99% of people can look at your game and think you're crazy for having muscle back irons or blades. It's what YOU want to do though. Losing tee shots happens, its the hardest club to control, the driver.

From playing several rounds with you though I'd have to say you lose way more shots on bad irons and short game play over anything I've seen off the tee. But you're gonna think what you want.

I can't get Cody to practice his short game at all, and until he does he won't get any better, no matter how well he drives the ball.

Last time we played I was shanking everything in sight. I agree 100%

PS - game improvement irons won't fix a shank.