Mack Brown stepping down...

[Vertnut]

Really? How many other schools were "big time" schools back then? How many other schools had budgets to come and recruit in the state of Texas? How many times did the national championships he won go through the BCS? You can't make a comparison to the two men who coached in different eras in vastly different settings.

Leave it at both were outstanding coaches in their time, and Texas was blessed to have both of them for many years. Besides, if you really want to look at their records, what was DKR's record the next 4 seasons after his first national title? Don't bother looking it up, I have it here for you.

10-1 the next season to finish 5th in the polls, and then...

6-4
7-4
6-4

One bowl game in that 3 year stretch and finished the season unranked all 3 years. Draw the conclusions you want, but this just shows you can't make a real comparison. What other programs were thriving in the conference back then? Did they have games as tough as the team now faces against Baylor, Ok. St., etc.?

Mack deserved to go out on his own terms and be recognized for the greatness he brought to Austin -- period.

DKR had 3 national titles. 3. Your first paragraph covered it. It was a totally different ball game (quite literally). He made 16 bowl appearances when not every team with a .500 record went to a bowl game. He took a 1-9 team and had them at 6-4 the next season, and never had a losing season at UT. 11 time SWC champs. Did I say 3 national titles? He invented the "wishbone" offense, and he MADE the program at UT, and there's a stadium named after him to prove it.
Not to mention there's an entire book published on DKR's famous quotes. ;-)

[juiceweezl]

DKR had 3 national titles. 3.

You mean those BCS titles where you have to win a conference, win a conference championship, and then beat a team that has done the same? Those kind of championships? I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about ones where you had to beat Navy. You know, the team that didn't beat a ranked team all year and loss to SMU who had 7 losses that year. Do not even try to compare that to having to beat Alabama, USC, or some other powerhouse from today.

Maybe you mean the 1969 title where they beat #19 Notre Dame who finished 8-2-1 instead of say #2 Penn State who finished 11-0 or USC who finished 10-0-1? No, not that either? Maybe you mean in 1970 when a 1 loss Texas team got the national title over an undefeated Arizona State team or an 11-0-1 Nebraska team. Oh yeah, they LOST the bowl game that year that you're claiming a national title. How do you claim a national title when you lose your bowl game? Get that shit out of here.

There are more holes in your "DKR is so much better than Mack..." claims. The game has changed. In today's system, DKR's Horns may not have even played for a title more than once. That's if they could have made it out of the conference championship. Give it a rest!

[BERT]

Using your strategy, I assume Dan Marino sucked at quarterback and Charles Barkley sucked at basketball, huh? Maybe we'll go with you think Lloyd Carr wasn't a great coach at Michigan either? He had a 122-40 record there but only 1 national championship and only 2 outright conference championships. He had one 12-0 season but had at least 2 losses in all the others.

Sometimes, it takes going undefeated to win a good conference. Care to guess how many teams can go undefeated in a conference in a given year? Keep things in perspective. If "love" don't win football games, maybe it was coaching that helped him win all those games.

Keep reaching, you won't get there, but keep reaching.

Carr had a losing record against Ohio State, that's why he got the boot. Guess what, Mack has a losing record against OU, he should've got the boot in the mid '00's but a guy named Vince saved his assed.

3 of the worst losses Texas had came under Mack and came against OU. Can't have that against your rival

[BERT]

You mean those BCS titles where you have to win a conference, win a conference championship, and then beat a team that has done the same? Those kind of championships? I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about ones where you had to beat Navy. You know, the team that didn't beat a ranked team all year and loss to SMU who had 7 losses that year. Do not even try to compare that to having to beat Alabama, USC, or some other powerhouse from today.

Maybe you mean the 1969 title where they beat #19 Notre Dame who finished 8-2-1 instead of say #2 Penn State who finished 11-0 or USC who finished 10-0-1? No, not that either? Maybe you mean in 1970 when a 1 loss Texas team got the national title over an undefeated Arizona State team or an 11-0-1 Nebraska team. Oh yeah, they LOST the bowl game that year that you're claiming a national title. How do you claim a national title when you lose your bowl game? Get that shit out of here.

There are more holes in your "DKR is so much better than Mack..." claims. The game has changed. In today's system, DKR's Horns may not have even played for a title more than once. That's if they could have made it out of the conference championship. Give it a rest!

Once again, no one is saying Mack isn't a good coach. He's just not a great coach like you want to think. Nothing wrong with saying that.


One major thing I really didn't like about Mack was his soft personality. The way he always called the players kids and not young men. Almost every player than came out of Texas was called soft and coddled. The fact that Mack sulked like a 16yr old getting dumped after that loss to Alabama and he admitted to it. He should've been gone then. That should never happen. Mack can't develop players, he can recruit them, but once they're on campus he doesn't know what to do with them. He won on pure talent alone, and some still say he didn't win more than he should have with the talent Texas had on some of those teams.

There are things I like about Mack and things I do not like about him. Like I've said, I think it was time for him to go. Some people like yourself fear change, I do not. It was going to happen this year or next one way or the other

[juiceweezl]

Once again, no one is saying Mack isn't a good coach. He's just not a great coach like you want to think. Nothing wrong with saying that.


One major thing I really didn't like about Mack was his soft personality. The way he always called the players kids and not young men. Almost every player than came out of Texas was called soft and coddled. The fact that Mack sulked like a 16yr old getting dumped after that loss to Alabama and he admitted to it. He should've been gone then. That should never happen. Mack can't develop players, he can recruit them, but once they're on campus he doesn't know what to do with them. He won on pure talent alone, and some still say he didn't win more than he should have with the talent Texas had on some of those teams.

There are things I like about Mack and things I do not like about him. Like I've said, I think it was time for him to go. Some people like yourself fear change, I do not. It was going to happen this year or next one way or the other

Can't develop players? Have you looked around the NFL today? There are a ton of Longhorns on NFL rosters. Brown is a hell of a lot better coach than all of you want to believe. He's a great coach and has done what very few have accomplished. I love the way people always bring up OU and Stoops. How many titles does he have? Oh yeah, the same number as Brown. Each day, I'm starting to hope more and more that this thing blows up in the face of all of you that don't realize what you had in Brown. His teams had slipped back recently, but they were headed back up. A lot of the regression is due to the lack of a QB. Gilbert was supposed to be the man (#1 QB recruit out of high school). Ash was a top 5 rated QB. Neither has panned out, and that left them with little McCoy to try and run the show. He was never meant to play, and yet they were one half of football away from winning the conference this season and playing in a BCS game. That was on the road to the conference champion too. I think all of you are selling Mack short. There's not a long list of coaches that should be considered better than him. You should recognize the greatness he accomplished and brought to the 40 acres.

[juiceweezl]

Keep reaching, you won't get there, but keep reaching.

Carr had a losing record against Ohio State, that's why he got the boot. Guess what, Mack has a losing record against OU, he should've got the boot in the mid '00's but a guy named Vince saved his assed.

3 of the worst losses Texas had came under Mack and came against OU. Can't have that against your rival

Amazing. I love the ignorance you and so many others show. Yes, Carr had a losing record against tOSU -- 6-7. The great Bo Schembechler at Michigan was only 11-9-1 against tOSU. Yes, it's a winning record, but just barely. Mack was 7-9 against OU. A one game swings makes him .500 against them. Texas was the lower ranked team in almost all of those games too including this year. He did just fine as the coach.

I can't wait to see who they bring in and then everyone will be sorry for what they did to run Mack out of town. Get ready, because the shit show is on its way.

[BERT]

You sound like a bitch. Was he your brother in law or something?

[BERT]

I can't wait to see who they bring in and then everyone will be sorry for what they did to run Mack out of town. Get ready, because the shit show is on its way.

I want to quote this part. Cause it amazes me the way you talk is that there is no coach out there that can do better than Mack. And you're so sure of it. That alone is laughable.


I do feel sorry for Mack that Gilbert didn't turn out like he was supposed to. But not to have anyone other than Case as a back up is all on Mack. That's just plain sad that he was the QB at Texas in any form.

[bulldog896]

2-11 next year? I don't think there's anymore reasons to take you seriously on this subject. I'll gladly make a little wager with you on that


And like it was already said, in 16 years he won 2, count them TWO, big12 titles. And those only came in the years Texas made it to the BCS championship game

Mack brown as a person is great, he's a great guy. He loves all his players, but like the GREAT Earl Campbell said "love don't win football games". And who is anyone to second guess The Tyler Rose?
Mack was not a great coach. Not his fault, he just wasn't an X's and O's type of coach and that hurt him

Do I think we'll go 2-11 next year? No do I think it's going to be the stellar "great that Mack's gone" like your preaching? No we'll be half assed and everyone will blame "rebuilding" We are now stuck in a position where we need a coach when we had a good one. Was he Bear Bryant, Tom Landry, and Jimmy Johnson rolled into one? No But as others have he did deserve to go out on his own terms and not thrown out the door. And yes DKR had less bowl chance but he also had less powerhouse schools to contend with and a system to pick bowl games that you could call arbitrary at best. The high schools were not putting out the talent they do now. The colleges were not putting the money into the programs that they do now. Hell college football wasn't what it is now. Who every thought Baylor or TCU would have a decent team. Those games were jokes back in the day.

[juiceweezl]

You sound like a bitch. Was he your brother in law or something?

No, but you act like he was a horrible coach. All he did was average 10 wins a year, win a national title, play for another and would have won it had Colt not gotten hurt, rebuild the program from ashes, and make it the top revenue earning program in the country. The gratitude he got for that was people like yourself saying he can't coach and being forced out. Not once was the program integrity questioned or investigated. He did things the right way, and he was super successful. All I did was use stats to point out the flaws in people you and others say are better. The man is one of the all time most successful coaches, and you and others think you're going to get someone in to replace him, flip a switch, and be a top 2 or 3 team. Good luck with that.

[juiceweezl]

I want to quote this part. Cause it amazes me the way you talk is that there is no coach out there that can do better than Mack. And you're so sure of it. That alone is laughable.


I do feel sorry for Mack that Gilbert didn't turn out like he was supposed to. But not to have anyone other than Case as a back up is all on Mack. That's just plain sad that he was the QB at Texas in any form.

I didn't say they couldn't get a better coach. The question is will they find someone who wants to come here and who will be as successful? I wouldn't bank on it. The list of names Chip Brown threw out is laughable at best.

As far as backup QB's, maybe you forgot that Brewer transferred. He got into some trouble and apparently fell out of favor. I'm guessing you don't understand college recruiting either. If you're a top prospect at a skill position like QB coming out of high school, you usually don't pick a school that has a highly touted freshman in front of you. You want to go somewhere that you can play quickly. There aren't many teams that have 2-3 top ranked QB's on their roster. Look around and see. When one transfers or isn't as good as touted, you have to turn elsewhere. I do agree that Swopes should have gotten more playing time though so they could see how he would look for next season, but you act like Texas is the only team in the country who couldn't replace the starting QB with another top tier kid.

Who could replace Manziel at ATM? McCarron at Alabama? Bridgewater at Louisville? Winston at FSU? Keep digging; I'll be here waiting.

[Hmbre97]

I love the way people always bring up OU and Stoops. How many titles does he have? Oh yeah, the same number as Brown.

Stoops has 9 Big XII titles to Mack's 2.

Stoops has one NC but made it to the NC 4 times to Mack's 2.

Stoops did this in OK. Mack couldn't even do it in the hotbed of HS football recruiting.

Stoops > Mack

That is why Mack is getting pushed out.

[juiceweezl]

Stoops has 9 Big XII titles to Mack's 2.

Stoops has one NC but made it to the NC 4 times to Mack's 2.

Stoops did this in OK. Mack couldn't even do it in the hotbed of HS football recruiting.

Stoops > Mack

That is why Mack is getting pushed out.

Wait, you guys only count winning it all. Don't give me that crap. OU is a storied program too, not some Johnny come lately. Call it what you want, but as I said earlier -- they were ranked higher than Texas most times when they played. Stoops also has 7 titles, not 9. In 2012, they tied with K St., but K. State beat them head to head. 2011 was Ok. State. Nice job getting your numbers right though. Even further in that was the number of times OU finished tied for the division but got the nod because of the tiebreaker system. Three other times they've finished tied for the South division.

Oh, and care to remind me who won the game this year? Hint, it was the unranked team. Maybe you should get Stoops to resign too. The way I see it is Stoops had plenty more chances to win big games, but he's what 3-5 in BCS bowls including that killer loss to Boise St.

Mack is 3-1 in BCS games. He equaled Stoops' big game victories in his first 3 BCS games. Seems like Stoops < Brown to me when it counts the most -- the big bowl games.

[BERT]

I didn't say they couldn't get a better coach. The question is will they find someone who wants to come here and who will be as successful? I wouldn't bank on it. The list of names Chip Brown threw out is laughable at best.

As far as backup QB's, maybe you forgot that Brewer transferred. He got into some trouble and apparently fell out of favor. I'm guessing you don't understand college recruiting either. If you're a top prospect at a skill position like QB coming out of high school, you usually don't pick a school that has a highly touted freshman in front of you. You want to go somewhere that you can play quickly. There aren't many teams that have 2-3 top ranked QB's on their roster. Look around and see. When one transfers or isn't as good as touted, you have to turn elsewhere. I do agree that Swopes should have gotten more playing time though so they could see how he would look for next season, but you act like Texas is the only team in the country who couldn't replace the starting QB with another top tier kid.

Who could replace Manziel at ATM? McCarron at Alabama? Bridgewater at Louisville? Winston at FSU? Keep digging; I'll be here waiting.

Damn sure not Case McCoy!!! LMAO

The main reason Brewer left was because Brown wouldn't move his favorite from that 2nd string spot. And I'm not bagging on McCoy, he gave it his all every time out there. He's just not very good. And if his last name was Smith, he would have never received a scholarship from the University of Texas. Which, in return, come back on Mack.

[BERT]

Wait, you guys only count winning it all. Don't give me that crap. OU is a storied program too, not some Johnny come lately. Call it what you want, but as I said earlier -- they were ranked higher than Texas most times when they played. Stoops also has 7 titles, not 9. In 2012, they tied with K St., but K. State beat them head to head. 2011 was Ok. State. Nice job getting your numbers right though. Even further in that was the number of times OU finished tied for the division but got the nod because of the tiebreaker system. Three other times they've finished tied for the South division.

Oh, and care to remind me who won the game this year? Hint, it was the unranked team. Maybe you should get Stoops to resign too. The way I see it is Stoops had plenty more chances to win big games, but he's what 3-5 in BCS bowls including that killer loss to Boise St.

Mack is 3-1 in BCS games. He equaled Stoops' big game victories in his first 3 BCS games. Seems like Stoops < Brown to me when it counts the most -- the big bowl games.

7 or 9> 2


and yes, win the coach is getting paid 5mil a year, winning is very important.