Johnny football's offseason

[kpc01]

I'm going to wait it out and see if there are any facts or evidence of any of this. Last I heard the "witnesses" only saw him autograph stuff. Thats perfectly legal. Not saying he's perfect but I'm damn glad we didn't have social media and camera phones when I was 20

[bcoop]

As an Aggie, I hope they drop his ass. He is a good football player but his character sucks. I'm going to have a hard time rooting for him. I know all the UT and OU jackasses are licking their chops at A&M's misfortune with this guy, oh well.

I'm not really licking my chops. The kid is good, no doubt. And he is exciting to watch, which is something Aggie fans have needed for a long time.


I just think he is incredibly immature, and he's going to be pissed when he realizes how much more he could make if he would just shut his mouth and live a normal college life.

[Vertnut]

As an Aggie, I hope they drop his ass. He is a good football player but his character sucks. I'm going to have a hard time rooting for him. I know all the UT and OU jackasses are licking their chops at A&M's misfortune with this guy, oh well.

Not really. It's a shame, regardless of the school. Coaches shouldn't recklessly recruit guys that already have baggage from high school, but every school does it just to compete. Some guys show their ass in college, and some wait until the pro's, but there's a long list of them from about any big school.

[Vertnut]

I'm going to wait it out and see if there are any facts or evidence of any of this. Last I heard the "witnesses" only saw him autograph stuff. Thats perfectly legal. Not saying he's perfect but I'm damn glad we didn't have social media and camera phones when I was 20

They were "numbered" items, which is usually meant for a dealer who sells them as "limited" items". It was supposedly a 5-figure deal.

[A_A_G]

I'm sorry, but your arguments are fucking ignorant. College is not a career. Twist it any way you want, but that's what it boils down to. College never has been, and never will be a career. You know what happens when you take immature adults and throw tons of money and fame at them? See:Johnny Manziel acting like a fucking retard at every turn.

Its not a career for the ones on the field, just everybody else involved. Gotcha

[juiceweezl]

How do you know they'll make absurd amount of money in the nfl (or even get there)? Only a SMALL percentage of players make it pro + a pro career is very short.

So you're telling me I could make big money now, but you won't let me because MAYBE I'll make it later? C'mon man

I take it you have no idea how collegiate athletics work apparently. All you probably look at are schools and sports like UT/Notre Dame/Ohio St. football -- schools that rake in money by the millions. What you don't see are the number of kids on scholarship at those schools and every other one -- kids that are getting a free or partially free education that will never, ever have a chance to play their sport for money on a professional level. You want to know how things work and why it's important that these school make money when they can cash in on a player like Idiot Johnny?

Look at baseball for example. They get 13 athletic scholarships to fill out a team. They have to have obviously more than 13 kids, so they split those scholarships up and use other scholarship money to build a roster. Then they have to have a stadium to play in. They have to have practice facilities, uniforms, travel budget, etc. All of that costs money.

Now look at it like this. There are Major League baseball teams that can't make money, that can't draw fans, and they are the best of the best in the world. Do you think a baseball team, even at a major school, can actually make enough money to pay all of its costs? The same for golf, volleyball, even basketball in most schools and certainly for swimming, track and field, etc. The money these schools make at something like football goes to help pay for a lot of the other sports and for other kids to go to college on scholarship. That's where a lot of the money goes. Sure, some of the schools have way more of it, but that hasn't been and won't always be the case.

Johnny is no different than thousands of other gifted athletes to have come before him. He is getting a free education. He is getting tons of free exposure that could be marketing him in a positive manner. Instead, he's pissing in the wind and I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays another collegiate down ever again.

[BP]

If they don't like the rules, players can go straight to the Pro's. It's the "golden rule": He who has the gold, sets the rules. Player's aren't forced to go to college.

Actually they can't. You have to be out of high school for 3 years to be eligible for the NFL draft. You can play in Canada but there is almost no chance of being taken seriously by an NFL team again if you do.

You can't sit on your hands for a couple of years and expect to play pro again either. Michael Vick being a rare exception, he played all the football he could in prison and was QB for both teams usually.

[A_A_G]

I take it you have no idea how collegiate athletics work apparently. All you probably look at are schools and sports like UT/Notre Dame/Ohio St. football -- schools that rake in money by the millions. What you don't see are the number of kids on scholarship at those schools and every other one -- kids that are getting a free or partially free education that will never, ever have a chance to play their sport for money on a professional level. You want to know how things work and why it's important that these school make money when they can cash in on a player like Idiot Johnny?

Look at baseball for example. They get 13 athletic scholarships to fill out a team. They have to have obviously more than 13 kids, so they split those scholarships up and use other scholarship money to build a roster. Then they have to have a stadium to play in. They have to have practice facilities, uniforms, travel budget, etc. All of that costs money.

Now look at it like this. There are Major League baseball teams that can't make money, that can't draw fans, and they are the best of the best in the world. Do you think a baseball team, even at a major school, can actually make enough money to pay all of its costs? The same for golf, volleyball, even basketball in most schools and certainly for swimming, track and field, etc. The money these schools make at something like football goes to help pay for a lot of the other sports and for other kids to go to college on scholarship. That's where a lot of the money goes. Sure, some of the schools have way more of it, but that hasn't been and won't always be the case.

Johnny is no different than thousands of other gifted athletes to have come before him. He is getting a free education. He is getting tons of free exposure that could be marketing him in a positive manner. Instead, he's pissing in the wind and I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays another collegiate down ever again.

And what does ALL THAT have to do with HIM making his own money while in college? How is him making money (I'm assuming legally) hurting any one? Would you be more satisfied if he was working a minimum wage job instead of signing memorabilia for big bucks?

Can someone confirm he's getting a free education? I posted earlier his family is of oil money so I wasn't sure if this was true.

[Vertnut]

Actually they can't. You have to be out of high school for 3 years to be eligible for the NFL draft. You can play in Canada but there is almost no chance of being taken seriously by an NFL team again if you do.

You can't sit on your hands for a couple of years and expect to play pro again either. Michael Vick being a rare exception, he played all the football he could in prison and was QB for both teams usually.

FB is the exception, but if they want to play pro, the road is paved through college.

[blownaltered]

I take it you have no idea how collegiate athletics work apparently. All you probably look at are schools and sports like UT/Notre Dame/Ohio St. football -- schools that rake in money by the millions. What you don't see are the number of kids on scholarship at those schools and every other one -- kids that are getting a free or partially free education that will never, ever have a chance to play their sport for money on a professional level. You want to know how things work and why it's important that these school make money when they can cash in on a player like Idiot Johnny?

Look at baseball for example. They get 13 athletic scholarships to fill out a team. They have to have obviously more than 13 kids, so they split those scholarships up and use other scholarship money to build a roster. Then they have to have a stadium to play in. They have to have practice facilities, uniforms, travel budget, etc. All of that costs money.

Now look at it like this. There are Major League baseball teams that can't make money, that can't draw fans, and they are the best of the best in the world. Do you think a baseball team, even at a major school, can actually make enough money to pay all of its costs? The same for golf, volleyball, even basketball in most schools and certainly for swimming, track and field, etc. The money these schools make at something like football goes to help pay for a lot of the other sports and for other kids to go to college on scholarship. That's where a lot of the money goes. Sure, some of the schools have way more of it, but that hasn't been and won't always be the case.

Johnny is no different than thousands of other gifted athletes to have come before him. He is getting a free education. He is getting tons of free exposure that could be marketing him in a positive manner. Instead, he's pissing in the wind and I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays another collegiate down ever again.

x2

I was going to post the same thing. If you pay the football team then you have to pay all the sports. Diving, track, high jump, everybody. If you do some research you will find most every college sports lose money and its the football program that supports them all. That is why they won't ever get paid, you would have to pay them all.

[GrayStangGT]

I think that college players should be able to make money off of whatever they can. What happens if they get hurt and never get their chance at the NFL. The college will just move on to the next guy up no matter how good you are. Anyone can have a career ending injury.

If you are good enough they have insurance policies for that.

[juiceweezl]

And what does ALL THAT have to do with HIM making his own money while in college? How is him making money (I'm assuming legally) hurting any one? Would you be more satisfied if he was working a minimum wage job instead of signing memorabilia for big bucks?

Can someone confirm he's getting a free education? I posted earlier his family is of oil money so I wasn't sure if this was true.

Ummm, it's against the rules -- not legal. Furthermore, what part of Manziel is an idiot do you not get? Want it to be a job and have him get paid? Then he would have lost his job 100 times over by now for being arrested, underage drinking, not showing up on time, etc. He's getting a scholarship, exposure, and tons of second chances to play football all in a manner that will help promote him to the NFL. Why does he deserve it anymore than the next talented kid? According to you because he's better than everyone else. Why does everyone know his name? It has nothing to do with the exposure ATM gets and the fact that they're a top tier school giving him a chance to play.

Mark it down. Manziel will make another bona fide idiot move and Sumlin will run his ass out of town.

[Silverback]

How many of you were 20 year old college students at A&M?

Danny, I'm sure you had your fair share of 20 year old bad decisions...

I still don't believe he took any money for autographs. I just don't see him having any reason to do so. It's not like he needs money, his family does just fine.

[A_A_G]

Ummm, it's against the rules -- not legal. Furthermore, what part of Manziel is an idiot do you not get? Want it to be a job and have him get paid? Then he would have lost his job 100 times over by now for being arrested, underage drinking, not showing up on time, etc. He's getting a scholarship, exposure, and tons of second chances to play football all in a manner that will help promote him to the NFL. Why does he deserve it anymore than the next talented kid? According to you because he's better than everyone else. Why does everyone know his name? It has nothing to do with the exposure ATM gets and the fact that they're a top tier school giving him a chance to play.

Mark it down. Manziel will make another bona fide idiot move and Sumlin will run his ass out of town.

It's against the rules why? Why is it against the rules for a kid to make money but a school can make millions, coaches can potentially make millions? If the kid has the potential to make money, who are we as people to tell him no?

I don't think in the United States its illegal to sell autographed merchandise

I don't agree he deserves more than the nexted talented kid. Everyone should be allowed to make money. My arguement isn't that he should be the only one. Are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed to make more money than a less talented kid? Do you think every NFL player should make the same? Should the guy who just started a job make the same as a 20 year vet doing the exact same job?

[Nash B.]

How do you know they'll make absurd amount of money in the nfl (or even get there)? Only a SMALL percentage of players make it pro + a pro career is very short.

So you're telling me I could make big money now, but you won't let me because MAYBE I'll make it later? C'mon man

...but, but, he's above average talent!

I think that college players should be able to make money off of whatever they can. What happens if they get hurt and never get their chance at the NFL. The college will just move on to the next guy up no matter how good you are. Anyone can have a career ending injury.

It's a risk that he (and every other athlete) has to take if they're trying to make their living by playing a game.

Its not a career for the ones on the field, just everybody else involved. Gotcha

Think of it as an unpaid internship.

And what does ALL THAT have to do with HIM making his own money while in college? How is him making money (I'm assuming legally) hurting any one? Would you be more satisfied if he was working a minimum wage job instead of signing memorabilia for big bucks?

Because of the way it can be manipulated to illegally recruit.