2013 Formula 1 Thread.

[Treadhead]

They caused an unsafe situation. I don't think it was worth a 10 grid place penalty though.

http://youtu.be/IBByzQBCSXE

[bird_dog0347]

After seeing that, I think Alonso should've pulled way off to the side to pick him up. However, I don't see anything wrong with him riding back like he did. If any penalty it should be on Alonso for stopping where he did...

[pHILSANITY07]

Alonso did get a reprimand but it was his first I think. Webber got his third which resulted in the grid penalty.

[Ruffdaddy]

Damn I hope hulk gets on a half assed decent team.

[Chili]

Only thing I know about Formula 1:

[Ruffdaddy]

Badass race! Frustrating shit with those tires again...but very good to see hulk hold a merc and a Ferrari.

[Slowhand]

Badass race! Frustrating shit with those tires again...but very good to see hulk hold a merc and a Ferrari.

What was frustrating about the tires? Everyone was dealing with the same issue and it produced a lot of good racing, it's not like anyone was competitive and then the tires died off and they just sunk back. Perez's blowout was his own damned fault with that HUGE lockup going into T1.

Amazing job by Kimi to sneak his way up into P2. Chintzy moves by Grosjean in defending.

And then what Hulkenburg did was not much short of incredible. The speed that the Sauber carried out of T2 and how he gapped Hamilton was astonishing. It looks like Sauber may have figured something out, as they've been looking racey recently. Hopefully they can carry that success into 2014, as I think the more competitive midfield teams there are the better.

[momo]

I just love how they were telling perez to watch his tires and not fight kimi... As he rips past the pit wall and locks up in to T1 then hits an IED on the straight after T2.

If it wasn't for bad luck, mark webber might not have any as of recent. Here's to hoping webber's car doesn't pull a bbq hat trick next week on the greatest technically challenging track on the on tour where red bull should be leaving with a 1-2 finish.

Also thumbs up to the pack rolling up on the straight after T2 to find a jeep on track! GD korea, always a cluster fuck and a half.

[Ruffdaddy]

What was frustrating about the tires? Everyone was dealing with the same issue and it produced a lot of good racing, it's not like anyone was competitive and then the tires died off and they just sunk back. Perez's blowout was his own damned fault with that HUGE lockup going into T1.

Amazing job by Kimi to sneak his way up into P2. Chintzy moves by Grosjean in defending.

And then what Hulkenburg did was not much short of incredible. The speed that the Sauber carried out of T2 and how he gapped Hamilton was astonishing. It looks like Sauber may have figured something out, as they've been looking racey recently. Hopefully they can carry that success into 2014, as I think the more competitive midfield teams there are the better.

It's not so much the failure of Perez' tire, it's the drivers having to race at 80-90% just to make the tires last beyond 2 laps. Of course they are all facing the same issue, but who wants to watch someone give it their best 90%? And yes Perez flat spotted his tire, but even Webber came in to say there are only so many lock ups because the tires have no tread left after a few laps. It's also the manner in which they fail. Had Webber not caught on fire yet again, he would have had issues with the puncture from Checo's failure.

Not just that, but drivers are having to maintain a sufficient gap as to try and stay out of dirty air so they're not under steering. Otherwise they degrade the front right in a matter of turns. Given durable enough tires, we would see more aggressive racing...the LH/FA battle would have been more entertaining and I don't know that Hulk would have kept his position. If anything, the tires will favor people like Vettel who can get out front and pace well enough to save his tires. If he were competing with other drivers near him, he would be burning through tires quicker and losing lap time.

[Slowhand]

It's not so much the failure of Perez' tire, it's the drivers having to race at 80-90% just to make the tires last beyond 2 laps. Of course they are all facing the same issue, but who wants to watch someone give it their best 90%? And yes Perez flat spotted his tire, but even Webber came in to say there are only so many lock ups because the tires have no tread left after a few laps. It's also the manner in which they fail. Had Webber not caught on fire yet again, he would have had issues with the puncture from Checo's failure.

Not just that, but drivers are having to maintain a sufficient gap as to try and stay out of dirty air so they're not under steering. Otherwise they degrade the front right in a matter of turns. Given durable enough tires, we would see more aggressive racing...the LH/FA battle would have been more entertaining and I don't know that Hulk would have kept his position. If anything, the tires will favor people like Vettel who can get out front and pace well enough to save his tires. If he were competing with other drivers near him, he would be burning through tires quicker and losing lap time.

I'll give you all of the above.

[Ruffdaddy]

I'll give you all of the above.

And I REALLY hope that with the new fuel regulations in the V6 cars we don't see even more barriers to true racing.

It's bad enough when a driver has to short shift to preserve a gear box (see mark webber), but if we see drivers having to baby the car to preserve fuel...I will no longer watch.

[Slowhand]

And I REALLY hope that with the new fuel regulations in the V6 cars we don't see even more barriers to true racing.

I'm incredibly skeptical.

[Kart21]

Webber's luck has gone for the season.

[aggie97]

It's not so much the failure of Perez' tire, it's the drivers having to race at 80-90% just to make the tires last beyond 2 laps. Of course they are all facing the same issue, but who wants to watch someone give it their best 90%? And yes Perez flat spotted his tire, but even Webber came in to say there are only so many lock ups because the tires have no tread left after a few laps. It's also the manner in which they fail. Had Webber not caught on fire yet again, he would have had issues with the puncture from Checo's failure.

Not just that, but drivers are having to maintain a sufficient gap as to try and stay out of dirty air so they're not under steering. Otherwise they degrade the front right in a matter of turns. Given durable enough tires, we would see more aggressive racing...the LH/FA battle would have been more entertaining and I don't know that Hulk would have kept his position. If anything, the tires will favor people like Vettel who can get out front and pace well enough to save his tires. If he were competing with other drivers near him, he would be burning through tires quicker and losing lap time.

Actually, everything you describe has a direct link to the skill of the driver to keep the car under him, regardless if he is going 100% or 90%. Either way, next year will be interesting because they are all starting at Zero again.

[Ruffdaddy]

Actually, everything you describe has a direct link to the skill of the driver to keep the car under him, regardless if he is going 100% or 90%. Either way, next year will be interesting because they are all starting at Zero again.

No, it doesn't. The only skill required to save these tyres is the ability to drive 90% or less. You have watched and listened all year right?

By your logic, PDR from the first half of the year is the most skilled because he could squeeze so many laps out.

The tyre is literally designed to degrade rapidly to force more pits. Saying that its a factor of skill ignores that and even contradicts the front running drivers and teams. Sorry...but
I'll take their word over anyone on this forum. Even the mighty grape. Hell the car setup has more to do with degradation than driver.