F1 - Malaysia

[Slowhand]

That last lap tells nothing compared to the 8 of 9 prior with vettel pulling on him.

Either way I'm sure we'll find out how this plays out through points. Hell maybe mark will do his job to take seb out of the championship.

The desire to win at all odds is the definition of competitiveness.

So do you think is good for teams to have a man on podium that doesn't always belong there? Ahem...Mercedes...Even HAM wasn't happy about that.

The last lap is the least of the data there. Webber pulled him consistently throughout the duration of each of the three stints prior to that, and the fall off was completely linear, something we know isn't the case when the tires fall off.

And if Seb is so competitive, then why did he admit he made a mistake? He claims he misunderstood team orders, which clearly wasn't the case.

The question still isn't about the championship, it's about that race and that instance. Malaysia tells us very little about the running order because setups were all over the place (see: Raikkonen's prevalent understeer, probably due to a wetter setup).

At the end of the day, we're never going to know because only one of them was racing the other; it's like the fucker who takes off at a stoplight next to you and then celebrates his victory when you didn't know there was a racing going on.

[Ruffdaddy]

Seb said he mistook the orders. He never said he understood and did the wrong thing.

I still don't think Mark sat down and gave up completely. He was livid...he's not going to just take it. Especially with the mercedes behind him. And to add more to the stupidity of the team order even Ecclestone criticized the idea of team orders at race 2. It really sucks that the first 4 positions were to be decided off the track. Unless this is a championship race for a team or driver...the orders only serve to hurt the sport.

[Slowhand]

Seb said he mistook the orders. He never said he understood and did the wrong thing.

I still don't think Mark sat down and gave up completely. He was livid...he's not going to just take it. Especially with the mercedes behind him. And to add more to the stupidity of the team order even Ecclestone criticized the idea of team orders at race 2. It really sucks that the first 4 positions were to be decided off the track. Unless this is a championship race for a team or driver...the orders only serve to hurt the sport.

Dude. Come on. Christian Horner even said that Seb saying he didn't understand was bullshit, and Horner has done everything for Seb short of sucking his dick.

What about in '56/'57 when Stirling Moss was forced to get out of his car and hand it over to Fangio? Were the team orders bad then? Team orders have always been a part of the sport and always will be.