lance armstrong

[Damnittsteve]

fuck steroids, the man beat cancer!!

[Vertnut]

Pre-cancer, Armstrong was too heavy to be strong in the hills. After all the aggressive chemo (most of it was experimental that he volunteered for), he lost weight and mass. It enabled him to lose weight and be a very good climber. I think THAT attributed more than anything to his success, along with the fact that pain no longer bothered him.

[slow99]

Pre-cancer, Armstrong was too heavy to be strong in the hills. After all the aggressive chemo (most of it was experimental that he volunteered for), he lost weight and mass. It enabled him to lose weight and be a very good climber. I think THAT attributed more than anything to his success, along with the fact that pain no longer bothered him.

Where the fuck is 01whitecobra when we need him?

[motoman]

The USADA is no different than the US government, their entire mentality is that of "if you're not with us and willing to do what we want, you're guilty and against us". It's a complete joke. No where in their case or allegations do they have any evidence of Lance taking steroids or any sort of performance enhancing drugs. They're only going by the word of 2 former teammates that were caught doping with the hopes of beating Armstrong down to the point where he gives up so they can then say "since he won't fight us, he must be guilty". I don't blame Lance at all, he's been battling this bullshit for years, I'd be tired of it too.

Pre-cancer, Armstrong was too heavy to be strong in the hills. After all the aggressive chemo (most of it was experimental that he volunteered for), he lost weight and mass. It enabled him to lose weight and be a very good climber. I think THAT attributed more than anything to his success, along with the fact that pain no longer bothered him.

You're definitely on the right track here, but that wasn't the only reason he was able to win. People don't realize that Lance went to France to train for the tour months before the actual race and by the time race day came, he's already been through the stage in training. For those that haven't seen it, I'd recommend renting or buying Road to Paris. Here's the first few minutes of it...

[sig239]

Bunch of political BS. Frogs can't handle the fact he handed there ass to them time after time.

[no4njnk]

The man never failed a drug test (500+ of them) but a bunch of jealous riders are saying he did, yeah that't not right. I cannot blame him for stopping the fight, just hope they don't ban him from triathlons which is what he is doing now.

[VaderTT]

That bike was a faggot bike.

[hotrod66stang]

The man never failed a drug test (500+ of them) but a bunch of jealous riders are saying he did

Armstrong had been given until 06:00 GMT on Friday to decide whether to continue fighting USADA's charges. The agency has said that 10 of Armstrong's former team-mates are prepared to testify against him.

I'm as pro-American athlete (and UT) as they come, but give me a break. Aside from the fact that I've waited on L.A., and he was a total douche, google "blood transfusion cyclist" and check out a few links.

Fuck L.A. and Roger Clemens. They're both dirty as shit.

[CJ]

What pisses me off is the guy is a national icon, and because he was so dominate they presume he was cheating. And they've never been able to live with it. What ever happened to having pride in your country's athletes? I think the real crime here is how easily baseless accusations are so readily accepted. Unless there is incontrovertible evidence, it shouldn't even be considered.

[no4njnk]

I'm as pro-American athlete (and UT) as they come, but give me a break. Aside from the fact that I've waited on L.A., and he was a total douche, google "blood transfusion cyclist" and check out a few links.

Fuck L.A. and Roger Clemens. They're both dirty as shit.

Does anyone have physical proof that he did it? Until they do I am with Lance. I know their are accusations all over the web but until someone can show me his test showing he had drugs in the system its all word of mouth. Innocent until proven guilty. Not innocent until someone accuses you. The fact that you don't like him does not make him guilty.

It seems like the USADA is butthurt over the fact that he beat the drug test and is out to make sure he did take drugs.

[CJ]

Does anyone have physical proof that he did it? Until they do I am with Lance. I know their are accusations all over the web but until someone can show me his test showing he had drugs in the system its all word of mouth. Innocent until proven guilty. Not innocent until someone accuses you. The fact that you don't like him does not make him guilty.

It seems like the USADA is butthurt over the fact that he beat the drug test and is out to make sure he did take drugs.

Whatever seems the most sensational is almost always the least accurate.

[hotrod66stang]

Does anyone have physical proof that he did it? Until they do I am with Lance. I know their are accusations all over the web but until someone can show me his test showing he had drugs in the system its all word of mouth. Innocent until proven guilty. Not innocent until someone accuses you. The fact that you don't like him does not make him guilty.

It seems like the USADA is butthurt over the fact that he beat the drug test and is out to make sure he did take drugs.

You completely missed the mark. I said to google a certain term, which would return certain hits. These hits would INCLUDE, but not preclude other incidents from happening. It's funny that Barry Bonds would receive and indictment from this forum, but Lance Armstrong wouldn't. Neither have been found guilty of anything. They're both dirty as shit, though.

P.S. The fact that I "don't like him" has NOTHING to do with this. I waited on Cory Morrow at the same restaurant as Lance, and he was a MUCH bigger douche, but you don't hear me proclaiming that Cory Morrow took 'roids or had blood transfusions, or isn't the best 'Texas country singer,' do you? Negative. I don't give a shit about these guys' personalities.

The fact is this: L.A. has won an unprecedented amount of TdF victories, all while beating cancer. I don't presume to know him, but I don't know any competitive people who would say "oh, you're going to take all of my titles away? Eh, go ahead."

[motoman]

The fact is this: L.A. has won an unprecedented amount of TdF victories, all while beating cancer. I don't presume to know him, but I don't know any competitive people who would say "oh, you're going to take all of my titles away? Eh, go ahead."

Every man has their breaking point and I don't know of any other athlete that's had as many or more allegations brought against them than Lance Armstrong has. IMO he's innocent until proven guilty and in my eyes, him not wanting to fight anymore does not prove him guilty.

[hotrod66stang]

Really? Roger Clemens? Barry Bonds? Sammy Sosa? Thats just in one sport and those were all year after year allegations.

I didn't say him not wanting to fight anymore PROVES him guilty. I guess it's coincidental that he quit competing, went to triathlons and isn't going to dispute being the greatest cyclist ever.

His new sport of choice is triathlons, and despite being banned from quite a few of them, he still doesn't fight his case. You're right, that makes perfect sense. If you were someone that had nothing to prove, you might turn away from cycling. However, if you were being excluded from your new sport of choice also, you might have something to say about it.

I guess you're right, it's much easier to be innocent and suspected to be guilty and tests prove you to be in-line with guilt than to actually be guilty. That darn science, it's wrong all the time!

[CJ]

Really? Roger Clemens? Barry Bonds? Sammy Sosa? Thats just in one sport and those were all year after year allegations.

I didn't say him not wanting to fight anymore PROVES him guilty. I guess it's coincidental that he quit competing, went to triathlons and isn't going to dispute being the greatest cyclist ever.

His new sport of choice is triathlons, and despite being banned from quite a few of them, he still doesn't fight his case. You're right, that makes perfect sense. If you were someone that had nothing to prove, you might turn away from cycling. However, if you were being excluded from your new sport of choice also, you might have something to say about it.

I guess you're right, it's much easier to be innocent and suspected to be guilty and tests prove you to be in-line with guilt than to actually be guilty. That darn science, it's wrong all the time!

That theory might hold water if you were unaware he passed 500 individual drug tests during all the years of the tours. You're jumping on the bandwagon without any of the facts.