Paterno fired...

[bcoop]

Jesus Christ bcoop, I've never seen someone so hell bent on twisting words since my ex. I never said that he gets a pass because it was or wasn't rape, so yes that was an assumption on your part. And here you go again with a load of ad hominem bullshit in this post. There is all of 1 count in this where JoePa is mentioned in any type of involvement and it's that a grad student came to him having witnessed something. As far as the testimonies go, what JoePa was told ranges from anal rape to horsing around. And when the grad student talked to the AD, JoePa wasn't there.

Herp derp. No words were twisted, genius. One count is enough. He was alerted. The man continued to not only have a job, but had access to the facilities after he retired. So yes, I'm saying he didn't do enough. If you want to argue that, I'm sure you and Stanley Tweedle could make great friends.

You didn't say he got a pass, but it was certainly implied. If I were in the position, I'd have alerted the President of the school, and local authorities. If the man continued to have a job, and I wasn't able to fire him for some reason, I have resigned myself.

[exlude]

Herp derp. No words were twisted, genius. One count is enough. He was alerted. The man continued to not only have a job, but had access to the facilities after he retired. So yes, I'm saying he didn't do enough. If you want to argue that, I'm sure you and Stanley Tweedle could make great friends.

Wow, more of it. And while saying you aren't twisting anything, just like my ex! lol

If no words were twisted, show me where I said that "he gets a free pass because it wasn't rape". If no words were twisted, show me where I said he didn't do anything wrong.

Obviously he didn't do enough, bcoop, but that's hindsight and easy to say. And it's quite possible that he knew more given the grand jury finds the grad student to have a credible testimony. But if another testimony is found true, he was told of one count of "horsing around". And the trustees probably made the right call before JoePa truly gets in trouble or anything more is revealed. But then again, maybe not. You're hemorrhoid induced blurt originally was in response to me stating what I had heard on the news. Fucking christ, we'd agree on this on a lot of points if you weren't coming at me like Sandusky in a shower.

[exlude]

You didn't say he got a pass, but it was certainly implied. If I were in the position, I'd have alerted the President of the school, and local authorities. If the man continued to have a job, and I wasn't able to fire him for some reason, I have resigned myself.

No, I said I wasn't sure because there's a good amount of disagreement as to what he was told.

[bcoop]

we'd agree on this on a lot of points if you weren't coming at me like Sandusky in a shower.

As fucked up as that is, I concede, because I can't stop laughing, perv.

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Haha, anyway, I don't disagree with you and really haven't made up my mind. Part of that might be because I have held such a high view of Paterno for so long. He resembled a long gone era of the good in college football. He could be guilty as sin, and I hope he isn't, but the guilty should be held accountable.

P.S.: You're StanleyTweedle comment was a low blow. Straight to the core, to the core...

[Tyrone Biggums]

I couldn't make it past the first victim in reading the indictment. I'll bet Sandusky kills himself before making it to prison.

[DON SVO]

I couldn't make it past the first victim in reading the indictment. I'll bet Sandusky kills himself before making it to prison.

I read the whole thing. Too many near-identical accounts coming from completely unrelated sources to be bogus. Absolutely chilling.

[Geor!]

* Local radio host says there are “rumors” the Penn St. coach at the center of child rape allegations may have been “pimping out” boys, affiliated with the charity he worked for, to donors.
* The host, Mark Madden, has been right before: he was the first person to break the news about the scandal seven months ago.
* Madden also says it could be revealed that the coach, Jerry Sandusky, was told “he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up.”


If you think the Penn St. University rape scandal involving a coach and several young boys is new news, think again. Back in April, a Pittsburgh radio host named Mark Madden wrote a story about coach Jerry Sandusky and the allegations, and alleged that the university could have had covered it up. Parts of his article were almost prophetic:

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State’s administration know, and when did they know it?

Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances – they won’t ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky’s alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State’s considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

Don’t kid yourself. That could happen. Don’t underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.

Why is that important? Because now Madden is making headlines again today saying he’s hearing rumors that the scandal could get even worse: Sandusky may have been “pimping out” boys, from the charity he worked with, to donors. And as we saw, Madden has been right before.

Here’s how he put it Thursday morning:

http://blip.tv/nesn/mark-madden-says-jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-5724402

“I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen,” Madden told WEEI radio hosts John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. “I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak.”

But Madden wasn’t done there.

“The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they’ll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up,” he added. “If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Again, those are just rumors. But as Mediaite notes, “Madden now has a proven track record and this is easily the biggest story in the country so expect this rumor to get a full investigation. Unlike, unfortunately, the original rape allegations.”

He also addressed the decision on his Twitter account:

[Strychnine]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=penn-state-students-rioted-defied-joe-paterno

Why Penn State Students Rioted--They Deify Joe Paterno

The psychology of group membership helps explain why Penn State students cant stop loving a man who ignored a child molestation scandal

By Karen Schrock | November 10, 2011




STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—Last night I witnessed the aftermath of the brief, angry riot at Penn State: an overturned news van being righted by a bulldozer, debris from battered cars and upended trash cans littering the street, college kids in “Joe Knows Football” t-shirts stumbling away from College Avenue with pepper sprayed red eyes and tear-stained faces, courtesy of the police. The students had reacted violently to the 10 p.m. announcement from the university's board of trustees that Joe Paterno, their beloved football coach, was fired.

As the rioters vented their rage and grief, commentators and bloggers around the world began lambasting the students for defending a man who knew about an allegedly horrific case of child abuse and did very little to try to stop it. But for these students, turning on Paterno may not be a simple matter of recognizing his moral error and reevaluating their reverence for him. Psychologists have long studied the mentality of group membership, and their research helps explain why all of us have a tendency to stick up for our idols and leaders even in the face of serious wrongdoing.

According to psychological theory, every person has a social identity, which depends on being a member of various groups. “The social groups you belong to become a part of the very essence of who you feel you are,” explains psychologist Adam Galinsky, a professor at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University. These groups can include our families and circles of friends; the clubs, churches and schools we attend; our race, ethnicity and nationality; and the list goes on. The more strongly we identify with a particular group, the more vehemently we defend its members and ideals—a trait that experts think evolved along with early human society. Banding together and protecting one another allowed our ancestors to survive, and so to this day we are quick to cheer on our comrades and feel animosity toward rival groups. Many scientists think this in-group psychology explains prejudice, racism and even sports fandom.

Most of the Penn State students who rioted Wednesday night have social identities that are built around a lifelong allegiance to the school. If you attend Penn State, Galinsky explains, “Penn State is you, it’s part of you, it’s such an important thing.” And nothing symbolizes Penn State more than Joe Paterno, head football coach for 46 years. Many of these distraught young adults chose to attend the university because of their love for the Paterno’s team—not the other way around. And they rioted because “the person that symbolized the school they go to, that’s given the school stature, that’s made their own selves have meaning and purpose, has now been taken away from them in an aggressive and sullied way,” Galinsky explains.

The pros and cons of such an extreme allegiance to a sports team are a ripe topic for debate—especially in the wake of this scandal, in which it seems the needs of the football program trumped the moral imperative of the university’s leadership. But setting that aside for now, the fact remains that these particular students do have an incredibly strong identity as Nittany Lions—and recognizing that identity can help us understand their behavior. Their actions during the riot were systematic and easily explained from a social identity perspective, Galinsky points out. “It’s understandable why they turned over the media bus,” he says. “For them, this whole thing is being driven by the media. If it wasn’t for the media talking about the scandal 24/7, Joe Paterno wouldn’t have been forced out.”

But what about the children who were allegedly harmed by former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky under Paterno’s watch? Uneasy jokes are flying today about the “pro-pedophilia rally” in State College last night—but Galinsky points out that the people accusing the students of not caring about the victims are missing the big picture. “Our interpretation of facts are incredibly clouded by our own perspective,” he says. The students recognize Paterno’s mistakes, as evidenced by their many statements to the press, but being so involved in the Penn State community, they do not judge his mistakes as harshly as outsiders do.

And leaders in general are hard to indict, especially those like JoPa who have near-mythical stature. The idea that a living person can be deified is not surprising from an evolutionary point of view. A crucial component of the social cohesion that allowed our human ancestors to survive was religion, explains Freek Vermeulen, associate professor of strategy and entrepreneurship at the London Business School. Religion “centers on myths and deities,” he wrote. “This inclination for worship very likely became embedded into our genetic system, and it is yearning to come out and be satisfied, and great people such as Jack Welch, Steve Jobs, and Lady Di serve to fulfill this need.”

Joe Paterno is both a deified leader and the living symbol of Penn State, inextricably bound up with the identity of the students who reacted so emotionally last night. In that light, it makes more sense that they took to the streets. Although the vandalism cannot be justified, if we recognize the root of the students’ feelings it may help us reconcile their loyalty to Paterno—inconceivable to many outside the Penn State community—with the disturbing story of child molestation that has been revealed over the last several days. “Don’t judge them harshly,” Galinsky says. “If you were a member of that community with that identity, you would have had the same reaction.”

[ELVIS]

i doubt it, i know its wrong to fuck children.

god bless.

[DON SVO]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ed-joe-paterno

We (DFWM) defied that article with a quickness: we burned down our old house, snubbed the new landlords and threw the cocksucker who owned it to the wolves.

[Nash B.]

We turned on the board, not the group of people that were behind it.

[Zfan]

How can anyone knowingly associate with a pedophile, friend or not I'd turn him in in a heart beat. That is the lowest life form to me.