Mosley and Pacman 05-07-11

[GSXRK5]

well looks like pac is going to face another past his prime fighter, The great Juan Manuel Marquez. Word is the fight will be for pac's welterweight title but a catch weight of 142-144 will be set in order to make it more fair for the lightweight fighter marquez. If you guys don't know this will be their 3rd fight. The first time these 2 guys met marquez was knocked down 3 times in the first round but made a great come back to make the fight a draw and retain his feather weight title. 2nd time they met they had another close fight with marquez being wobbled 2 times and knocked down once, Pac was wobbled 2 times and countered all night. Pac ended up winning a controversial split decision and decided not to give marquez a 3rd immediate rematch. Now that marquez has slowed down a little bit pac agreed to a third fight 3 years later. Marquez came in at 144 in his last light weight title defense and tko katsidis so this should be more interesting then mosley, margarito, de la hoya vs pacman. Even tho marquez has slowed down a little he still has crazy accuracy and is a master counter fighter.

If they do fight it should be a really good fight. Marquez is still pretty good and can hold up. But i suspect it'll end up like the Margarito fight.

[lonestarstang00]

lol it will be the complete opiste of the margarito fight. Margarito was caught cheating and had not fought in a longass time, he faced a no name and barely won before fighting pac. Margarito was basically used for his name and was a walking punching bag in the ring. Marquez is still pretty sharp im sure pac may have a flashy knockdown or 2 on marquez and marquez will win a few rounds and then pac will dominate the final rounds. Im a marquez fan but he stands little chance against the now bigger and stronger pac. Allot of people seem to think this will be a good competitive fight because they say pac is made for marquez's counter style but marquez is now older I would hate to see him ko by pac and then retire. But if anybody disserves a shot against pac it should be marquez I wish him luck.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Boxing failing to deliever?! Say it ain't so! lol.

Boxing sucks.

I am a fan of both sports and not looking for a UFC vs Boxing arguement. But were you impressed by the GSP fight? If you watched the Manny fight then you would have seen that Manny could only do so much when his opponent is wearing track shoes and wont engage. Kind of like a fight I saw 2 weeks ago

well looks like pac is going to face another past his prime fighter, The great Juan Manuel Marquez. Word is the fight will be for pac's welterweight title but a catch weight of 142-144 will be set in order to make it more fair for the lightweight fighter marquez. If you guys don't know this will be their 3rd fight. The first time these 2 guys met marquez was knocked down 3 times in the first round but made a great come back to make the fight a draw and retain his feather weight title. 2nd time they met they had another close fight with marquez being wobbled 2 times and knocked down once, Pac was wobbled 2 times and countered all night. Pac ended up winning a controversial split decision and decided not to give marquez a 3rd immediate rematch. Now that marquez has slowed down a little bit pac agreed to a third fight 3 years later. Marquez came in at 144 in his last light weight title defense and tko katsidis so this should be more interesting then mosley, margarito, de la hoya vs pacman. Even tho marquez has slowed down a little he still has crazy accuracy and is a master counter fighter.

I agree with most of what you said, but I truly believe Manny doesnt decide who he fights. Bob Arum(sp) does most of that. But Margaritto is far from past his prime. He is only 33. Manny gave up a lot of size to fight him and destroyed him. Call Margaritto a cheater or what ever your opinion is of him. But the man never backs away. He always comes to fight. Same can be said when Manny fought a younger Cotto. Again giving up size and supposed power, while having to move up in weight to fight another bigger fighter.
Other than delahoya and possibly Marquez.... who has he fought past their prime recently? I dont know of anybody calling him out or asking top rank for a shot at him. And last I heard, Marquez isnt happy with the offer thats on the table and wants more money.

[Steve]

I am a fan of both sports and not looking for a UFC vs Boxing arguement. But were you impressed by the GSP fight? If you watched the Manny fight then you would have seen that Manny could only do so much when his opponent is wearing track shoes and wont engage. Kind of like a fight I saw 2 weeks ago

I agree with you on that point. While GSP has Yoda in his corner, he's always going to play it safe stratgeically within the rules of the UFC. He looks at his advantages and the other guys weaknesses and plays on them for the safe wins rather than to actually "fight". In order to get a fight out of GSP, he has to be pressured and not let him set the pace. His fights are hit and miss depending on the style matchup.

[lonestarstang00]

mosley, de la hoya- past their prime

clottey- did nothing to prove he was worthy of pac ( he lost to cotto which cotto lost to pac )

Margarito- got caught cheating, fought 2 fights in mexico which he bearly won to boxers who arent big names. Then all of a sudden hes worthy of a pac fight )

True bob arum does all the matching but manny could have more of a say in this. Marquez did recieve arums offer letter but made a little tweaks to it and arum is suppose to send a revised offer back to marquez today. I doubt its the money he is unhappy with its said he was offerd 5 million plus some shares in ppv buys which is more then what he got against mayweather, I think it has to do more with the weight seeing as Marquez does not do good at 147. Freddie Roach was quoted saying manny will not come down past 147 to fight marquez which I can understand seeing as manny is the champ but roach needs to step aside because he did demand catch weights against cotto at the time he was the champ. Manny comes in under 147 most of the time any ways so I can't see why it has to be at 147 now, I guess to give marquez a rough time but even if it was at 140 I don't see marquez having much of a chance.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

I agree with you on that point. While GSP has Yoda in his corner, he's always going to play it safe stratgeically within the rules of the UFC. He looks at his advantages and the other guys weaknesses and plays on them for the safe wins rather than to actually "fight". In order to get a fight out of GSP, he has to be pressured and not let him set the pace. His fights are hit and miss depending on the style matchup.

Totally agree. Mosley admitted after the fight that once he felt Mannys power during the knock down, he wasnt going to engage anymore and just survive the fight. So in my opinion, the "fight" was over at that moment.

mosley, de la hoya- past their prime

clottey- did nothing to prove he was worthy of pac ( he lost to cotto which cotto lost to pac )
proves what? How many fighters in any combat sport have beaten somebody who supposedly were better fighters, and lost to lesser challengers?

Margarito- got caught cheating, fought 2 fights in mexico which he bearly won to boxers who arent big names. Then all of a sudden hes worthy of a pac fight )
its the business of boxing. And even though Margaritto got caught, he still fought the fight. He didnt dance around and avoid engaging. His style is to come forward at all times. He could have avoided getting TKo'd by Mosley but he kept coming forward.
As far as deciding when a fighter was worthy or not, check out the Judah/Mayweather fight. Mayweather was losing on the score cards until Zab got himself disqualified. He also lost on one of the judges score cards to Del La Hoya. My point is we cant always go by the medias reports who should win the fight. Anybody can get beat regardless of what the match up looks like on paper

True bob arum does all the matching but manny could have more of a say in this. Marquez did recieve arums offer letter but made a little tweaks to it and arum is suppose to send a revised offer back to marquez today. I doubt its the money he is unhappy with its said he was offerd 5 million plus some shares in ppv buys which is more then what he got against mayweather, I think it has to do more with the weight seeing as Marquez does not do good at 147. Freddie Roach was quoted saying manny will not come down past 147 to fight marquez which I can understand seeing as manny is the champ but roach needs to step aside because he did demand catch weights against cotto at the time he was the champ. Manny comes in under 147 most of the time any ways so I can't see why it has to be at 147 now, I guess to give marquez a rough time but even if it was at 140 I don't see marquez having much of a chance.

Well you seem to know your facts. Very cool. Looks like we disagree on just a couple of things. But I see it as Manny is at least flexible. As scareweather wants to call 100% of the shots and decide the entire stipulations. I just wish somebody else would step up and call out manny and say they want a shot. And I think manny is to nice a guy to demand more of a say so in who he fights.

[lonestarstang00]

yea I just wish he had more of a voice, its really nothing against him because hes a damn good person/boxer it just sucks to see such a talent go to waste with 1 sided fights like the ones arum puts together. Sergio martinez called out pac for his light middleweight title but pac did not want to defend it any more. I think it would of been a good competitive fight even if pac came in at 148 or so against martinez at 150

[GSXRK5]

What I meant into relation of the Marquez fight being like the Margarito fight in that he will fight the first couple of rounds then manny will just go to work on him. Until the 12 rounds are over. I didn't watch the Mosley PPV because it was just a side show, so I don't know how it went. I still think Marquez is a better fighter than both of them.

[lonestarstang00]

i think it will be a late ko because marquez is in no way a runner, his defense is not as good as mosley's so he has to engage in action

[T-TOPPS5.0]

yea I just wish he had more of a voice, its really nothing against him because hes a damn good person/boxer it just sucks to see such a talent go to waste with 1 sided fights like the ones arum puts together. Sergio martinez called out pac for his light middleweight title but pac did not want to defend it any more. I think it would of been a good competitive fight even if pac came in at 148 or so against martinez at 150

i think it will be a late ko because marquez is in no way a runner, his defense is not as good as mosley's so he has to engage in action

I like the match up because Marquez is a fighter and likes to engage. But, I actually wouldnt mind seeing Timothy Bradley get a fight with Manny. I think he could give it a good showing.

What I meant into relation of the Marquez fight being like the Margarito fight in that he will fight the first couple of rounds then manny will just go to work on him. Until the 12 rounds are over. I didn't watch the Mosley PPV because it was just a side show, so I don't know how it went. I still think Marquez is a better fighter than both of them.

Why do you think that? Better than Mosley? Definately!! better than Manny? Not to sure about that one.

[GSXRK5]

I like the match up because Marquez is a fighter and likes to engage. But, I actually wouldnt mind seeing Timothy Bradley get a fight with Manny. I think he could give it a good showing.


Why do you think that? Better than Mosley? Definately!! better than Manny? Not to sure about that one.

I meant better fighter Than Margarito and Mosley.

[Steve]

The reason boxing is failing so bad, is because there aren't many fighters left in boxing. The new Mayweather style of pitter patter, flash and dash punches just to score points rather than actually fight has ruined boxing. Very, very few matches are finished by KO these days, and the judging is completely biased and corrupt.

So to try and compare fighters in boxing these days is pointless.

[Rick Modena]

Boxing, lol! That pro sport is dead, if it wasn't for GBP it would already be dead. I only watch olympic and amature boxing events. The WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF are all a joke...

[gip99gt]

Who is the Heavy Weight Champ?

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Vitali and Wladimir (Klitschko brothers) hold most of the belts as heavy weights. Not sure who the other is. Dont really care to look it up. The heavy weight division sucks the last few years.